Breeding Season is the unholy combination of a farming sim and a sex game. Breed a variety of sexy monsters together for sale to adventurous clients. Featuring Catgirls, Dickwolves, Harpies; you name it. Currently in early alpha.
Not only does cut, paste and face variants take a lot of time, but sometimes motivation may be quite hard to find.
Before you post how much they're raking in, that too sometimes is a cause low rates of production. I'm pleased as well. Harpies were always my favourite and now I see they're going to be in the game. Now all I'm waiting for - and it will be a long wait - is Harpy x Harpy. I love the Futa Harpy x Catgirl animation - it's adorable.
I still wish the Breeder character get get traits somehow. Events are the easy way of handling this. For example, after selling a number of high value monsters to requesters (say maybe 6+) the breeder is rewarded with Added Value 1, and progression follows. It could get boring if the traits were all awarded the same way, however. Thought would have to go into this. At the moment the only way of making the Breeder a worthwhile partner is by hacking your save to give her/him traits to pass on. The other thing is to allow the Breeder to have stat progression pas Level E.
Im intrigued why the breeder is naked in the f/f scenes when she wouldn't need to take them off for the act she is doing. the one with the fem holstaurus and futa holstaurus kind of realises this with her clothes being half way.
The last month's update was lacking in terms of quantity and detail, measured against the missing facial expressions in some of the animations. I don't want to discuss whether or not Vanilly isn't working fast enough or not to her full potential, instead I'd like to suggest that the facial expressions should be done by Fleet. Fleet did once said that there is nothing much to do in the beginning of the month for him but then starts piling up towards the end of the month. This sounds like inefficient production pipelining and if Vanilly is the bottleneck of that pipeline, then Fleet could undertake some of the steps Vanilly was doing to reduce her pressure. Vanilly could simply write down which facial expression she wants to have in each loop, which would take not more than 10 minutes at worst, while Fleet could probably easily handle the implementation, since he is already swapping assets in the animation around all the time.
Hiring another animator would be really good, but I'd say each animator should be working on different pairing (for example Vanilly mentioned that Subtank is going to take over neoteeny animations). Fleet is already drawing the facial expressions, but I agree, if Vanilly made the animation, and then at the beginning of each month Fleet would implement facial expressions into those animations, it might be more productive. The only thing they would probably have to make the update in like the 2nd week of a month instead of beginning of the month, because that's when the animations would be finished.
I am just a bit frustrated when I finally am able to catch someone streaming, and then for 3 hours there is nothing happening, but just watching movies, but then later we hear that the team is very busy...
Duh. The quality of animations has dropped so hard. Honestly, I am not hyped over the harpy cause of the lack of facial expression (there are 3, male, neo and feral female) and plus with sone dumb positions. I sincirely think they are being lazy and draw some harpy into position where they can skip making facial expression for em. :(
okay so by my understanding there are four of them working on this plus the two contractors who do regular small pieces (web maintenance and the person who does the awesome pinups). and they're making $33,486 a month. if we trim off the top $3,486 and say that completely covers the contractors plus whatever fees come from patreon and then take the remaining $30,000 and divvy it up between the other four that's $7.500 per person, if they're sharing nicely that's $90k a year per person (minus whatever taxes). that is a full time job, this should be getting full time job effort. they're getting paid $10.25/hr 24/7 (while they sleep). now I understand that we don't get to see all of the work being done, but that's what updates are supposed to be for. And if what people are saying all over this page about how much work is being done on the streams... you guys are getting paid to pal around and get paid for it. 2 weeks without an update is not cool.
Our "master" talk about transparency, but don't answer when I ask about real transparency. I accept it, he have no need of be honest with us, no matter if we support her dream and made it possible. We haven't any kind of contract, this is Patreon, not Kickstarter, as I mentioned before even the milestones gone, so new people can't know what was promised, achieved and dissapeared like words on the wind XD
The game keep going forward, with her plus and minus, we may like or not certain choices, argue about it without demand, the usual, this is his project.
But that doesn't mean that the project is fine, at full efficiency, there is any kind of interest, take this as example, more than two weeks whitout ANY information, ANY update, here or on Patreon, nothing, try to do the same with a customer in your job and see what happend XD
The official answers is "watch the streaming", but as always, most of us ask why? Yeah, is cool see what is happening, but how about people from other countries with opposite time zones, or people with work, or people who use the free time in other hobbies? Why, even when has been promised update this blog, I need to watch hours and hours of streaming to be up to date?
Due how things are going, instead the feeling of an option for people to see how artists and "developers" work, I've the feeling of see a trick, "hey mom, watch me, I'm doing stuff".
I understand he want live from his passion, but that means work every day, unless you make a great hit, but this is just "save for the rest of my life, and have NOTHING to lose no matter what happens".
They are humans. And your critique isn't hekping them, neither on a human nor on a working level. They release updates when there are updates to be given. We know for example how all the animations next month and most of the animations the month after will look like. We know that they want to get sound in, we know they are wroking on a website (for 2 months now - breedingseason.com). If you follow the stream you know already a huge part of the story to come and have seen other NPC animations. They are transparent to a level that they can't surprise you with anything and you are able to call them out on every little thing they screw up.
You wont find that much transparency anywhere else, neither in the usual gaming industry, nor in the h-porn segment.
But your ciritque is not only unhelpful, it also does damage. Hbomb is streaming sporadically, Vanilly has almost stopped streaming altogether and Spurple has become extremely stubborn to a point that when you disagree with one of his decisions, he just bans you from his stream (I do know, I am banned). FleetArt is the Nyancat of the team, nothing is dragging him down.
I'm not justifying their slow pacing, they are slow and I wish they would be faster. But by bringing it up again over and over, you are not only not helping, you are slowing them down even further by dumbing their morale. How enthusiastic would you be about your work when you know that as soon as you show your face you get flamed? You can say "Well, it's not my problem if my critique is destroying their morale" but you are not helping yourself with that in any way. Just be a decent human person and if you just can't stand how slow they are then just leave. If enough people feel like you they will soon find themself without support.
But at what point does keeping it to yourself become enabling? Any form of critisism is feedback reagardless. If literally dozens of customers are comlaining about a particular thing, chances are, it's worth looking at. He made a valid point about accountability being a concern due to the nature of patreon. People do expect results, and you can't blame people for being upset when they feel taken advantage of.
There's a fine difference between criticism and outright bashing. Some people haven't quite got the hang of voicing their displeasure in a constructive way...
Too be honest, When the communication between the working team and the customers breaks down, the project will break down too. I have participated in some streams and the community seems rather toxic, to the point of me not even writing anything anymore. Asking a simple question was faced with a barrage of defensiveness and protest.
I have always held my stance that they are doing the best they can(probably) and i won't ever stop thinking that. But they way they talk to the people that support them and people who simply ask a question makes me believe that they don't like the job they have and that we might see a H-Game Crash again.
Jesus, I knew when i looked at the comment section you people would be bitching and moaning again. Thanks for the update, keep at it. Can't wait to see the M x M stuff when i gets there.
So Holstauruses, Minotaurs, Milftaurs, Futauruses and the Neoteny variants are on the way. As are the Harpies. I hope the Stallions will be after that (Yes, I know there's an animation tracker somewhere). What would we have left after? Hmm... Elves, Demons, Seraphs and Mandrakes (Just... Yeeaaargh)
So quite a bit left to do before they get to MxM. I'm kind of interested in it as well, all things considered.
I really wish there was a monster filter built into the options so I could turn off the Mandrakes (Yes, I know you can avoid them by not building the habitat, but you still get a purple request for one, don't want that).
Forum, webpage, polls, marked as milestones year ago, achieved year ago, never fulfilled, as many other promises.
Now that milestones are gone, we can't complain or the legion of fans will kill us XD.
And yes, the webpage has been mentioned to be released soon, but at the cost of have more excuses and more distractions to our "full time job" team, a team breaking on pieces.
I can see everyone's issue. But honestly, I'm not entitely sure what they're doing, but it sounds like development hell and poor management. I make a pretty good manager, hire me. :)
Well at some point there was some talk about hiring a PM because Hbomb isn't that good with organising things. I don't know what ever happend to that plan, probably the same what happend to monday updates and milestones.
p.s. Didn't there used to be an edit function for posts? Now i had to delete my other one just to fix grammar...
Well think of it that way, all the fans who prefer to play as MBreeder now have to endure waiting for them to finish FBreeder's animations. It's only fair that they get the Male stuff after this
If I were on the breeding season team I wouldn't even check the comment section by this point. The majority of you just post negative comments, for everyone who put money in this thing, myself included, its a donation not an investment. Just because you donate some money doesn't mean you get put on the board of directors for the project. If you donated to this thinking differently you should probably let your parents handle your money. When you handing out your money to these people your not handing it to a business, your handing it to a couple artists with a hobby.
And if you're really upset, you can always cancel your patronage - and still keep your own copy of the game - and still follow things here - and still get the updated versions, just a little bit behind the rest of us.
The minimum level for the latest stuff is $1 per month. How much would you pay in one lump sum for the game AS IS?
However, I do think that people might be feeling less progress than you're making because breeders tend to mate less than monsters. Principally, there's only one breeder, while there are many monsters. Also, breeders don't get traits, which are a big deal, so if you're breeding to spread traits, you don't want to breed your breeder. So all these animations aren't going to be seen as much. Other animations are much higher-priority because they will be seen often.
You are doing first, precisely those things that you should do last.
Note, even if you take this advice you don't need to throw anything away. Just, next time you look at what's up next, pick, say, Catgirl x Dickwolf, which comes up ALL THE TIME, instead of neo-gb-demon x breeder, which isn't going to come up much.
There are many ways to do this without it becoming an organizational headache. If you can't think of one,
they won't touch the male breeder until they finish the female breeder. your not the only one feeling left out and I'm not even bother to download any update games until they do some male breeder animation art.
Pls let the futaurus one be a bj
ReplyDeleteThat's an old animation and it's already in the game. Oo
DeleteThough it's pretty buggy.
While we're on the subject of old, the pre-V6 releases did have one thing over the newer builds.
DeleteLily was hot back then.
And that's all?
ReplyDeleteI think the amount done is pretty good, the only real criticisms could be of the "sex" position choices.
DeleteNot only does cut, paste and face variants take a lot of time, but sometimes motivation may be quite hard to find.
DeleteBefore you post how much they're raking in, that too sometimes is a cause low rates of production.
I'm pleased as well. Harpies were always my favourite and now I see they're going to be in the game. Now all I'm waiting for - and it will be a long wait - is Harpy x Harpy. I love the Futa Harpy x Catgirl animation - it's adorable.
I still wish the Breeder character get get traits somehow. Events are the easy way of handling this. For example, after selling a number of high value monsters to requesters (say maybe 6+) the breeder is rewarded with Added Value 1, and progression follows.
It could get boring if the traits were all awarded the same way, however. Thought would have to go into this. At the moment the only way of making the Breeder a worthwhile partner is by hacking your save to give her/him traits to pass on. The other thing is to allow the Breeder to have stat progression pas Level E.
Im intrigued why the breeder is naked in the f/f scenes when she wouldn't need to take them off for the act she is doing. the one with the fem holstaurus and futa holstaurus kind of realises this with her clothes being half way.
ReplyDeleteBecause Eye Candy and Tits. That's why.
DeleteThat breeder sprite from catguy on the milftaur pic doesn't even fit there. And where is Minotaur, I thought I saw it on a stream?
ReplyDeleteNot really happy. :(
We need feral futanari omg
ReplyDeleteMost likely never gonna happen.
DeleteThe closest you'll get might be Feral x Futa pairings.
The last month's update was lacking in terms of quantity and detail, measured against the missing facial expressions in some of the animations. I don't want to discuss whether or not Vanilly isn't working fast enough or not to her full potential, instead I'd like to suggest that the facial expressions should be done by Fleet. Fleet did once said that there is nothing much to do in the beginning of the month for him but then starts piling up towards the end of the month.
ReplyDeleteThis sounds like inefficient production pipelining and if Vanilly is the bottleneck of that pipeline, then Fleet could undertake some of the steps Vanilly was doing to reduce her pressure.
Vanilly could simply write down which facial expression she wants to have in each loop, which would take not more than 10 minutes at worst, while Fleet could probably easily handle the implementation, since he is already swapping assets in the animation around all the time.
Or by that amount of money they get maybe hire another animinator
DeleteHiring another animator would be really good, but I'd say each animator should be working on different pairing (for example Vanilly mentioned that Subtank is going to take over neoteeny animations). Fleet is already drawing the facial expressions, but I agree, if Vanilly made the animation, and then at the beginning of each month Fleet would implement facial expressions into those animations, it might be more productive. The only thing they would probably have to make the update in like the 2nd week of a month instead of beginning of the month, because that's when the animations would be finished.
DeleteI am just a bit frustrated when I finally am able to catch someone streaming, and then for 3 hours there is nothing happening, but just watching movies, but then later we hear that the team is very busy...
Duh. The quality of animations has dropped so hard. Honestly, I am not hyped over the harpy cause of the lack of facial expression (there are 3, male, neo and feral female) and plus with sone dumb positions. I sincirely think they are being lazy and draw some harpy into position where they can skip making facial expression for em. :(
Deleteokay so by my understanding there are four of them working on this plus the two contractors who do regular small pieces (web maintenance and the person who does the awesome pinups). and they're making $33,486 a month. if we trim off the top $3,486 and say that completely covers the contractors plus whatever fees come from patreon and then take the remaining $30,000 and divvy it up between the other four that's $7.500 per person, if they're sharing nicely that's $90k a year per person (minus whatever taxes). that is a full time job, this should be getting full time job effort. they're getting paid $10.25/hr 24/7 (while they sleep). now I understand that we don't get to see all of the work being done, but that's what updates are supposed to be for. And if what people are saying all over this page about how much work is being done on the streams... you guys are getting paid to pal around and get paid for it. 2 weeks without an update is not cool.
ReplyDeleteYup, and milestones are gone XD.
DeleteOur "master" talk about transparency, but don't answer when I ask about real transparency. I accept it, he have no need of be honest with us, no matter if we support her dream and made it possible. We haven't any kind of contract, this is Patreon, not Kickstarter, as I mentioned before even the milestones gone, so new people can't know what was promised, achieved and dissapeared like words on the wind XD
The game keep going forward, with her plus and minus, we may like or not certain choices, argue about it without demand, the usual, this is his project.
But that doesn't mean that the project is fine, at full efficiency, there is any kind of interest, take this as example, more than two weeks whitout ANY information, ANY update, here or on Patreon, nothing, try to do the same with a customer in your job and see what happend XD
The official answers is "watch the streaming", but as always, most of us ask why? Yeah, is cool see what is happening, but how about people from other countries with opposite time zones, or people with work, or people who use the free time in other hobbies? Why, even when has been promised update this blog, I need to watch hours and hours of streaming to be up to date?
Due how things are going, instead the feeling of an option for people to see how artists and "developers" work, I've the feeling of see a trick, "hey mom, watch me, I'm doing stuff".
I understand he want live from his passion, but that means work every day, unless you make a great hit, but this is just "save for the rest of my life, and have NOTHING to lose no matter what happens".
They are humans. And your critique isn't hekping them, neither on a human nor on a working level. They release updates when there are updates to be given. We know for example how all the animations next month and most of the animations the month after will look like. We know that they want to get sound in, we know they are wroking on a website (for 2 months now - breedingseason.com). If you follow the stream you know already a huge part of the story to come and have seen other NPC animations. They are transparent to a level that they can't surprise you with anything and you are able to call them out on every little thing they screw up.
DeleteYou wont find that much transparency anywhere else, neither in the usual gaming industry, nor in the h-porn segment.
But your ciritque is not only unhelpful, it also does damage. Hbomb is streaming sporadically, Vanilly has almost stopped streaming altogether and Spurple has become extremely stubborn to a point that when you disagree with one of his decisions, he just bans you from his stream (I do know, I am banned). FleetArt is the Nyancat of the team, nothing is dragging him down.
I'm not justifying their slow pacing, they are slow and I wish they would be faster. But by bringing it up again over and over, you are not only not helping, you are slowing them down even further by dumbing their morale. How enthusiastic would you be about your work when you know that as soon as you show your face you get flamed?
You can say "Well, it's not my problem if my critique is destroying their morale" but you are not helping yourself with that in any way. Just be a decent human person and if you just can't stand how slow they are then just leave. If enough people feel like you they will soon find themself without support.
But at what point does keeping it to yourself become enabling? Any form of critisism is feedback reagardless. If literally dozens of customers are comlaining about a particular thing, chances are, it's worth looking at. He made a valid point about accountability being a concern due to the nature of patreon. People do expect results, and you can't blame people for being upset when they feel taken advantage of.
DeleteThere's a fine difference between criticism and outright bashing. Some people haven't quite got the hang of voicing their displeasure in a constructive way...
DeleteToo be honest, When the communication between the working team and the customers breaks down, the project will break down too. I have participated in some streams and the community seems rather toxic, to the point of me not even writing anything anymore. Asking a simple question was faced with a barrage of defensiveness and protest.
DeleteI have always held my stance that they are doing the best they can(probably) and i won't ever stop thinking that. But they way they talk to the people that support them and people who simply ask a question makes me believe that they don't like the job they have and that we might see a H-Game Crash again.
O_o what happend with my reply?
DeleteJesus, I knew when i looked at the comment section you people would be bitching and moaning again. Thanks for the update, keep at it. Can't wait to see the M x M stuff when i gets there.
ReplyDeleteSo Holstauruses, Minotaurs, Milftaurs, Futauruses and the Neoteny variants are on the way. As are the Harpies. I hope the Stallions will be after that (Yes, I know there's an animation tracker somewhere). What would we have left after? Hmm... Elves, Demons, Seraphs and Mandrakes (Just... Yeeaaargh)
DeleteSo quite a bit left to do before they get to MxM. I'm kind of interested in it as well, all things considered.
I really wish there was a monster filter built into the options so I could turn off the Mandrakes (Yes, I know you can avoid them by not building the habitat, but you still get a purple request for one, don't want that).
Have I forgotten anything?
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ReplyDeleteLooks great, keep working hard you guys. :)
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ReplyDeleteI just want a forum or something to discuss the game with other fans, sharing ideas, estrategies and such
ReplyDeleteForum, webpage, polls, marked as milestones year ago, achieved year ago, never fulfilled, as many other promises.
DeleteNow that milestones are gone, we can't complain or the legion of fans will kill us XD.
And yes, the webpage has been mentioned to be released soon, but at the cost of have more excuses and more distractions to our "full time job" team, a team breaking on pieces.
Its almost done Gubudugu you just have to tough it just a bit longer.
DeleteI can see everyone's issue. But honestly, I'm not entitely sure what they're doing, but it sounds like development hell and poor management. I make a pretty good manager, hire me. :)
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DeleteWell at some point there was some talk about hiring a PM because Hbomb isn't that good with organising things. I don't know what ever happend to that plan, probably the same what happend to monday updates and milestones.
Deletep.s. Didn't there used to be an edit function for posts? Now i had to delete my other one just to fix grammar...
You know what funny there going to do the woman animation first then it going to be nothing but the guys make many guy fans cry for seeing gay stuff.
ReplyDeleteNo, it'll alternate Male-male with Male-Female even by base types. Plus, almost every type has male and female variants.
DeleteWell think of it that way, all the fans who prefer to play as MBreeder now have to endure waiting for them to finish FBreeder's animations. It's only fair that they get the Male stuff after this
Deletemiss male Feral
ReplyDeleteI can't remember what the Male Feral Taurus looked like.
DeleteTalk about slow and inefficient
ReplyDeleteIf I were on the breeding season team I wouldn't even check the comment section by this point. The majority of you just post negative comments, for everyone who put money in this thing, myself included, its a donation not an investment. Just because you donate some money doesn't mean you get put on the board of directors for the project. If you donated to this thinking differently you should probably let your parents handle your money. When you handing out your money to these people your not handing it to a business, your handing it to a couple artists with a hobby.
ReplyDeleteAnd if you're really upset, you can always cancel your patronage - and still keep your own copy of the game - and still follow things here - and still get the updated versions, just a little bit behind the rest of us.
DeleteThe minimum level for the latest stuff is $1 per month. How much would you pay in one lump sum for the game AS IS?
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ReplyDeleteWhen will the udated public version be able to be played? I cant download it, i can only play it if its on this site
ReplyDeleteLooks good, poses leave a bit to be desired. Can't wait for the m x m animations
ReplyDeleteWhere the hell do the FBreeder's arms and hands go in the Milftaur animation?
DeleteI am really interested with this game, only one thing stopped me from supporting this game... Not much MxM animations...
ReplyDeleteI'm NOT dissatisfied with overall progress.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I do think that people might be feeling less progress than you're making because breeders tend to mate less than monsters. Principally, there's only one breeder, while there are many monsters. Also, breeders don't get traits, which are a big deal, so if you're breeding to spread traits, you don't want to breed your breeder. So all these animations aren't going to be seen as much. Other animations are much higher-priority because they will be seen often.
You are doing first, precisely those things that you should do last.
Note, even if you take this advice you don't need to throw anything away. Just, next time you look at what's up next, pick, say, Catgirl x Dickwolf, which comes up ALL THE TIME, instead of neo-gb-demon x breeder, which isn't going to come up much.
There are many ways to do this without it becoming an organizational headache. If you can't think of one,
can you guys just do something for the male breeder pls? i feel like half of us are being left out.
ReplyDeletethey won't touch the male breeder until they finish the female breeder. your not the only one feeling left out and I'm not even bother to download any update games until they do some male breeder animation art.
DeleteWell at the current speed, the male breeder will start around August-September I guess
DeleteI still wish they'd gone with trying to make the female harpies look like adults normally and not...kids. http://imgur.com/a/S8eum
ReplyDeleteI hate that Monster Musume did the same thing too.
And what's best termed as a "Kawaii" face which makes them really quite "Moe", but all in all Mario's right here.
DeleteThe catgirls and elves also don't have huge tits but somehow don't have the same problem.
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ReplyDeleteI could not remember for the life of me remember the term "Heiftaurus". And they are glorious. I only wish there was more of a sexytime involved.
ReplyDeletewhen we can see these animations in the game? :3
ReplyDeleteif its like last time, it will be in the next (patreon) update
DeleteDo you have a Twitter or something I can follow to get notifications when you update? I don't know how to subscribe to blogspot notifications.
ReplyDeletepeople with strong feelings are sure to come but there are also legit complaints too
ReplyDeleteThat should be more ways to earn money besides selling monsters how about arena in the Empire something
ReplyDeleteThat should be more ways to earn money besides selling monsters how about arena in the Empire something
ReplyDeleteThey should be special quest after a while in the guild
ReplyDeleteVery fat cow girl... =( This not pig... =(
ReplyDeleteFirst version cow beast! Alpha 3