I'm incredibly, incredibly sorry; what I believed was going to be a quick integration of the remaining code cascaded into a far, far larger task than I was prepared for and there's no way I'm going to be able to finish this in my current state. I've hardly slept in the last 3 days and I'm making zero headway at this point; I need to stop and resume this tomorrow. The fact that I bungled this planning so incredibly is completely inexcusable on my part and I am totally ashamed. There is absolutely no reason why I should've allowed this to happen and I can't express how sorry I am for continually failing time and time again to realistically and effectively schedule around these updates and account for all the work that needs to be completed ahead of time.
You guys frankly deserve far, far better than I've been doing, and I am immediately going to hire an actual experienced, capable Project Manager onto the team to replace me in these duties because I have been grossly incompetent at adequately scheduling and coordinating the project and I can't apologize enough for this failure. Coordinating a project of this scale is simply beyond my capabilities and I've been far out of my depth; we need an actual Project Manager and I should've hired one months ago. I promise I'll do everything in my power to make amends for this screw-up and get the new build into your hands ASAP.
When I started making this game I had no idea of the scope it would eventually reach. There is so much I've learned in the last year that I wish I had known when I began. I never imagined our Patreon would actually reach $5k per month, much less $23k, and I'd be lying if I said that adjusting to these heightened expectations has been painless. I am, however, still now and have always been totally dedicated to the project, and even moreso to the people who have supported us and allowed us to do the things we love for a living entirely under our own creative control. There is not a day that goes by that I am not bewildered with how incredibly, absurdly lucky I am to be in this position, and there is nothing that pains me more than knowing when I've failed to live up to promises that I've made to the people who make this possible. I'm incredibly indebted to you all and I'm not about to forget that. You aren't just a bunch of people paying for a porn game to me; you're the entire reason I'm able to pursue my dream job, and to do so entirely under my own creative vision, and that's a big fucking deal.
Haha. (chuckle)
ReplyDeleteAnd so our young developer learns about using all his time instead of trying to cram all the work to just before the deadline. Enjoy your loss of patrons.
ReplyDeleteHe is trying hard, please do not be like that especially if you dont donate....
DeleteWell, whatever 'Anonymous' here says I'm with you through the end.
DeleteWe all are! :)
Delete>And so our young developer learns about using all his time instead of trying to cram all the work to just before the deadline
Deletelike typical bad student that tries to learn for test in night before big exam or to finish big project while he had month to do it
..."learn for test", "while he had month"...are you one of said students? :P
DeleteWho isn't?
DeleteOf course this 'typical student' is getting payed a nice sum of money to repeatedly bungle updates and project goals. Hopefully with another staff member things will get back on track.
DeleteOr, it'll turn into another starbound.
Hater gonna hate!!! don't worry about it, just get some rest, and get bak to it, when you can think straight again. better to do it right the first time, then mess something up, and crash the game. Then the haters would really have a field day, lol
DeletePlease don't ignore your body's needs for rest by pushing yourself so hard.
DeleteIt's not good for your health :(
Bro, don't overreact about it, I'm sure everyone can wait a day or two now that you're updating the blog, think straight and don't do something you'll regret later
ReplyDeleteget some well earned sleep, hartista, you should always be more concerned about your own health than meeting the deadlines you set, so what if we have to wait a day or two more, i'd gladly wait longer than a day or two as long as it means you are doing well and arent about to have some sort of breakdown due to stress, take care of yourself man and keep up the awesome work and i'll be expecting a 10 page report on how awesome your nap was.
ReplyDeleteits okay please get some sleep! Everyone will understand ^.^
ReplyDeletepeople who pay and demand stuff won't. 1 delays is ok but not constant ones and lack of new SERIOUS VISIBLE content
DeleteComplaining and insulting him wont bring anything good...it may even make even more delays or make him quit do you want that? And besides did you even read his post before this one? there is a HUGE amount of things for him to put in and he was trying to get it done and couldnt and you cant just leave it be?
Deletehe had almost 2 months to do it. No one said that he must do it few days before end of month. stop defending him for fuck sake. If people will defend him then he won't stop and will do it again and again and again since it works. white knights are cancer of literally every project
Deletei understand that but...well nothing good will come from criticism...im not white knighting im just being understanding and i hate when people criticize others instead of encourage.
Deletetrolls and haters are the cancer, "white knights" are the treatment for such things.
Deleteagreed, sadly you cant just remove this cancer, been running too deep to cure for a LONG time.
DeleteRespectful criticism is good - if you can take it.
DeleteTrolls are trolls and they're everywhere, fact of life.
The 'haters' are people who are pissed off. If you listen to them you'll see they have a point. It's just that a lot of them are too pissed off to phrase it nicely.
Honestly, I get the feeling that both sides of the arguement are way too far up Hartista's ass. He's made it very clear that he's aware he's not perfect. If both sides would just sit down and consider that, then they should realize that neither one has anything to argue about anymore. He's made some mistakes, he said he's going to try to deal with some heavy stuff.
There's really nothing more to say on either side of the issue.
Hey, whoa man, it's okay. 'Failing' and 'incompetent' are some pretty heavy words to be slinging around like that. Time management is a tricky business sometimes. That don't make you a bad game developer or a bad person. You're a talented and capable man, Lord H, and I don't think anyone here thinks you deserve a mallet upside the head, proverbial or literal, self-inflicted or otherwise.
ReplyDeleteHAHAHA I KNEW IT THAT WILL HAPPEN :D another failure but money is safe on your account so no problemo
ReplyDelete"HURR DURR there will be big update in middle/late October" = bullshit. And those people that really think that the next update with animation will be also perfect and on time... they are stupid.
months of doing nothing and then trying to do finish all shit in few days = just like kids in school or bad student that try to finish project before deadline in one night to pass somehow... and people still pay you for all those fails and delays. Like brainless sheeps or worse
I would understand if this was pure free project but you are getting money from this. Get your shit together and work on it whole time not in last few days of each month and then throw big wall of text filled with "sorry, delays, blah blah blah" crap.
> we need an actual Project Manager and I should've hired one months ago.
No shit Sherlock.. this should be done like 4-5 months ago but instead you milk money from people via Patreon by unreal promises or/and invite(hire) ONLY animators to your team but in the end we don't get more and better quality animations. What the fuck you were thinking? That you will get easy money from everyone for doing nothing?
This shitty situation with Breading Season won't change and it won't be finished faster than 2020+
COME ONE WHITE KNIGHTS DEFEND YOUR BELOVED H-BOMB! I'M WAITING. you will defend him even if he shit and piss on you and don't deliver anything good IN TIME despite getting money from you every month
if I would get 1$ for every "sorry", "delay", "no update", etc. you say.... I would be rich
Uhm im sorry, why do you even feel as though you must say such things, given that you are not one of the actual supporters and do not donate money so he CAN work on this game?
DeleteCiaran, just ignore this Anon. We both know it's just some fat shmuck butt hurt that they can't fap to new stuff. Judging from the overall composition of their comment, I think it's a fair conclusion that this person has no actual experience in anything. No experience in game dev, at all obviously. Hell, I bet they've never touched a page of code! But I mean hey, that's cool. Not everyone can be smart enough to make something for others.
DeleteOkie.
Deletesooooooo, you're helping how? if he really didn't care, he'd simply take the money and run. instead he's trying to actually do something about it, listen nobody cares about a troll, nobody cares about what people like you have to say, so just stop, you're not funding this project and thus anything you have to say can be taken without any seriousness what so ever.
Deleteanon #1 is correct, unintelligent people are unintelligent.
DeleteThanks, Anon #3. It just bugs me because all these people seem to be ignoring the entirety of the work he's focusing on. Which is rewriting his entire system. If you've ever ACTUALLY touched code (which let's be honest, the whiny children here never have) you'd know that kind of stuff is incredibly time-consuming and tedious. Things that did work, now don't, and you have to go back and reformat those to make it work with the new system, which will make other dependencies fail, etc etc. Think of it as a building structure. You can't change one piece. You have to change it ALL.
Deleteexactly, basically you snapshot an unfinished building made of wood, completely destroy it and then attempt to rebuild it with brick, its not easy and its not quick, but it makes it MUCH more efficient in the long run.
DeleteIndeed, indeed! And it's a very very hard process too. As you trudge farther and farther along things tend to just bother you to no end! At least, in my experience. As a coder with depression (and as a side-effect, no motivation) doing even small projects is incredibly difficult, personally. But boy I can tell you that having to go back and overhaul everything is frustrating. Especially when you start running into ridiculous errors.
Deleterun into a big enough one and you're either chopping off and redoing quite a bit or trying to weed out whats wrong, anyone that manually mods Bethesda rpgs with 100-200 mods would know exactly what I'm talking about.
DeleteDooooooon't even get me started. Tried to start a revival of one Skyrim mod to change one thing and it busted the whole mod for any previous version. Wound up having to change every damn script in it, just so there's no compatibility issues should something else need to be changed.
Deleteleast Bethesda is kind enough to provide the tools to mod and people made scanners to point out inconsistencies in load order, H. doesn't have that kind of quick or easy luxury.
DeleteNo, he definitely doesn't. But people don't really want to care, or even think about things that are going on. And I mean, don't get me wrong, I personally, am INCREDIBLY saddened that there's no new update. Mostly because this game is getting so much better from what it was, and I'm so hyped to see the new animations. But I know that grinding through all of your code is a major pain in the ass, and is incredibly consuming. Hell, my first mod that I did with Skyrim, I was barely having one square meal every day for a week or two. I lost like, 6 lbs! Mostly because I'd always get distracted by issues that kept popping up, then another and another. Then I'd fix it, test it out, add something then it all just got fuck-y all over again. And I look at the clock and it's already 2 am! Shit's tough.
Deletetried making a mod once dead simple follower... quit after i spent 30 minutes trying to get it to work :P did you ever get that mod out? if so, link me to it... I fear this conversation has drifted to the point of no return lol.
DeleteI got the first mod out, yes! But the second one in which I'm referencing most of my restructuring experience, no. The first mod is called, "Dark Soul Altar". It's posted on Skyrim Nexus. I would post a link but I don't want to deal with bots or w/e. It's really nothing all that great or amazing. Just a way to recharge weapons with ludicrously high max soul charge.
Deletetrue enough, may be good once I convert back to normal adventuring, although im on a illusion, restoration, no armor and no weapon run-through with artorias and ornstien Id go into more detail but that would be out of place here, back to supporting H. and everything he has to deal with and still push through.
DeleteBefore venturing back to what it should be, definitely check out the mod that mine needs. Oblivion Realm Series. Absolutely fantastic little mod! But yes, back to H-Bomb and his work now in this comment area.
Deletei put anything else in my load order and it'll collapse... just like what H. is dealing with
DeleteSo you weak-willed fucks did exactly what he predicted. Trying to be compassionate and understanding is all well and good, but if that's the only thing you ever do, you open yourself up to simply being taken advantage of; which is what is happening currently. If there are never any consequences to punish bad and reinforce good behavior and/or decisions it's unlikely that things will change at best and deteriorate at worst. Always being completely accepting of obvious failures from H-Bomb's side, is just as bad as leaving unhelpful criticism -- where I might add the OP _didn't_ do, he has a completely valid point.
Delete@Ciaran Kriess
One certainly doesn't have to be invested in a project to have a valid and objective opinion about its state; I'd argue that not being invested in something, aids a more objective opinion. Your mindset is akin to saying "well you can't criticize religion without being part of it!" which is just abhorrently dumb. You are free to pay for the project and have an opinion, and other people are just as free to not pay for it (which is completely okay) and have a valid opinion -- since they all experience the exact same product (with a slight delay) and consume the same news.
You guys keep making criticism and critics look bad and hateful when their opinions are just as valuable, if not more so from a productive standpoint, as yours -- And yes, punishing "bad behavior" and obvious failures by letting the developers know about your discontentment counts. While the OP was obviously at least partially emotionally invested he didn't say anything unfounded.
No, you shit fuck. This OP is incredibly fucking unfounded in everything he is saying. He's going on and on that H-Bomb is doing, "nothing". Just fucking around with his thumb up his ass. Which unless you're right next to him, and watching his every step as he is reformatting his ENTIRE GAME (a process which I doubt you have any sort of knowledge in), it will seem like there's no progress. Because IT'S CODE BASED. Something that you can't see on the surface!
DeleteAnd you know what, this OP is a terrible critic. And he is being hateful and just a stupid shit. And fucking LORD look at this shitty ass grammar. I'm fine with decent criticism. This is not criticism. This is some idiot just spouting out shit faster than he can manage to process it in his head.
No he wasn't claiming that he was doing nothing, he is obviously doing something, just way too late towards the end of the month, as confirmed several times by H-Bomb himself in this and previous blog posts lamenting that he started way too late because he underestimated the amount of time and work something would take.
DeleteIt's fine to doubt that I have any knowledge in programming or developing software, even though that's false, since this discussion isn't about me or how much time I think "reformatting" the entire game code will take; It's about H-Bomb setting realistic or unrealistic deadlines and then not meeting them. Me not being physically able to sit next to him and observe him working, doesn't make his failures any less problematic or even excuse them.
So to sum up: No, you are wrong, stop being so emotional. The OP is certainly not unfounded in everything he is saying and him not having perfect grammar, doesn't mean there can't be any truth in what he is saying. Also making assumptions about my person is completely unwarranted and doesn't help your argument.
"months of doing nothing and then trying to do finish all shit in few days" No, he was claiming that he was doing nothing. It's right there. And not once did H-Bomb say, "Oh, I just didn't do it," in regards to his restructure. General life shit happened, and that got in the way. Fuckin' happens. If you re-read his blog posts all of them from the general announcement of restructuring all of it has been, "I'm still doing this work."
DeleteAnd I'm not arguing that there's a deadline issue, what I am arguing over is that these little kids are acting like spoiled snots, because H has been working his ass off FULL-TIME to get this out. And just because they can't get a buggy fucking release means that he's a lazy piece of shit who's fucking around. Like OP's unfounded statements of,
"but instead you milk money from people via Patreon by unreal promises or/and invite(hire) ONLY animators to your team but in the end we don't get more and better quality animations. What the fuck you were thinking? That you will get easy money from everyone for doing nothing"
You're telling me this isn't unfounded? That since "Hurr durr, no update, H-Bomb greedy money pig!"
And hey man, you started the assumption of other people, so don't turn around and cry about it when someone does it to you, you "weak-willed person" (So to quote.)
So much toxicity!
DeleteWhat happened to the respect and listening exhibited in the previous posts? The board's becoming scary.
Please don't misrepresent what he said by quoting him correctly and then drawing wrong conclusions from it. He never said he simply did nothing; he said, as I argued earlier, that he did nothing (or for the sake of the argument, simply not enough) until shortly before the deadline and then tried to finish it with not enough time. H-Bomb saying that he underestimated the amount of work and time something would take, means exactly that in nicer words.
DeleteI am not disagreeing with you, they do act spoiled and are generally rude, and when I mentioned earlier: "While the OP was obviously at least partially emotionally invested [...]" I tried to express that. I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with highlighting "FULL-TIME". Yes he is working full-time on it, i.e. he has no other job besides Breeding Season presumably? I'm not sure -- but whatever the case, he is also getting paid full-time for it so I'm not quite following. If I work full-time on a job and continually fail to meet deadlines, I don't think my chef would argue that I have "been working [my] ass off FULL-TIME to get this out" and not get fired.
Regarding the quote you posted, it's not very nice but not entirely unfounded -- having that opinion, or thinking it at least. He didn't say that H-Bomb was greedy in the quote, he just criticized his choice of hires to the team and raised the question where the justification for further Patreon support lies. It's also not simply a case of "Hurr durr, no update, H-Bomb greedy money pig!" as you so eloquently put it, it's more a case of "updates way too seldom and almost never on time, while promised the exact opposite more than once".
Regarding my "assumption": I said what I said because I gathered it from the discussion. People constantly making excuses for obvious and most likely preventable failures just because they like the project and the idea so much, near to the point of letting themselves being exploited, is being weak-willed or dumb -- choose one. You on the other hand, had absolutely no reason to make the assumption "a process which I doubt you have any sort of knowledge in" earlier, even ignoring the fact that it had nothing to do at all with the arguments I made.
And to the commenter before me: no one is being toxic, it's just a discussion with two differing opinions and arguments in contrast to the circlejerk before it. If you think every circumstance and discussion is toxic where not all people agree with each other, life is gonna be hard for you.
DeleteI'm done wasting my time now though, feel free to answer, I'll probably read it but not respond.
"Weak-willed fucks"
Delete"No, you shit fuck"
I am calling that toxicity.
Even just now, you yourself implied I made broad judgements about circumstances and discussions from just teo sentences I made.
C'mon, I'm trying to encourage civility by pointing out how nasty things are starting to get.
TWIST, this entire thread is just one crazy anon talking to himself.
DeleteTo the anon at 9:28AM That would be a vary sad and shameful twist.
DeleteTo the anon at 6:45, we all know you're 16 and you attempted to do a little coding with some mods and now you think your hot shit. We know coding is tedious, but it's far from challenging. Stop acting like a wannabe please. Just because it's coding doesn't make an excuse for anything. Unless you get rid of your attitude nobody will take you serious.
DeleteHow embarrassing!
ReplyDeleteI still don't understand why all the updates have to be at the last possible hour with you H-bomb nearly dying of exhaustion (always talk about collapsing and being sick).
ReplyDeleteWouldn't be a good idea to make a plan like this: If you know you take 2 weeks to do x amounts of work, and it usually extended 2 days, why not plan to do x-2 or something, we won't know what are we missing.
So you do it like this, "Better get ready to the release on the 31st, so I better prepare to be finished FIVE days earlier", that way even if work doesn't progress as planned (it never does, how come after working for so long on this you haven't gotten a feel of it) you have a safe cushion of several days.
That way you don't end up collapsing and we get the game updates even a day before promised. You can even hold the update a day if it's ready earlier.
A healthy and timely update with 2-5 less features would be better than none in this case.
>in reality he feels good, he watched movies, played games, sleep and eat,...
Delete>he barely touched something related to BS
>"ehh I guess I must make another delay post and come with some excuse that people will believe"
>15 minutes later
>"ok done, back to doing other things while those idiots still pay me. I will maybe work on that crap next week if I don't forget about it"
>best
>job
>ever
do you really believe that...? :(
DeleteSeeing the amount of content that has come out in the past two months, it's more than likely. The quality of the game from two months ago is not even close to a couple hundred dollars worth, let alone 40k+.
DeleteLol dude chill. Just make the deadlines. If you think something will take two weeks, tell people three weeks. If you finish in two weeks and four days you're early instead of late. People don't care so much that it's taking a long time; they care that these arbitrary deadlines are being missed.
ReplyDelete"If you think something will take two weeks, tell people three weeks."
Deleteshould be:
"If you think something will take two weeks, tell people two months and then still forget about deadlines and delay stuff more"
lol fuck off if you have nothing to contribute to the conversation.
DeleteWalls of texts of apologies again.
ReplyDeleteNot big surprise.
Didn't give shit for money despite being tempted, because I expected something like this from the beginning, (Kickstarter taught me a lot of things) and would you look at this, I was right all along.
I'm glad I'm still capable of making sensible financial descisions.
That's nice dear.
DeleteDon't pretend like you give a shit. You just got 23k and had fucking nothing shown this month. You don't deserve the money these desperate assholes are throwing at you. Too bad they're too fucking stupid to realize it.
ReplyDeleteMake amends? The fuck you plan on doing that when you can't even get a measly no-new content update out within the span of a month?
actually it's two months without update but you are right. Sad that people are blind for the shit he is doing with rest of this pseudo "team"
DeleteIf anyone's blind Anon, it'd be you :)
DeleteI've seen games developed much better than this. All he keeps going is posting and deciding on new expansion ideas without even completing the development of the existing content!
DeleteAllow me to ask you this. You've seen games be developed, that's nice and all, but have you ever touched any code? At all? Like, ever done any actually coding? Or are you just talking out your ass? I'm gunna take a leap of faith and assume you're just talking out your ass.
Deleteindeed he is sir
DeleteThe anon at 4:58 is the same moron spewing the same crap in all the other threads. 'Do you even code bro' like stfu dude idgaf about your lame excuses. Coding is tough but so are a lot of other things. You need to get whatever is out of your ass ASAP just because you think you can code.
Delete>implying skyrim mods r tuff boohoo
who wants to bet that at least half these anons are the same person all deflecting their own incompetence at anything they attempt to do onto H. just because it makes them feel good about themselves.
ReplyDeleteI'll take that bet! Easy money, I say!
DeleteYou guys act like making a game this complex is easy. Instead of shitting on the developer, why not withdraw your cash and go make one yourself? Nobody cares about useless, unproductive Unsub posts.
ReplyDeleteAlso, dear Developer, perhaps it would be better to either make smaller improvements so that you can meet deadlines better. OR project deadlines a little further ahead to give yourself time to meet them.
Also, if there are bugs that need fixing, highest priority is to fix them first, I'd imagine. I see some complaints about a few bugs here.
1. agreed
Delete2. already suggested but good to reinforce (although in this particular instance "smaller" is in no way possible)
3. that would half fall to us, to discover such things and report them to allow for fixing (which is why alpha and beta exist), also depends if a bug is "slightly annoying" or "game-breaking"
That's nice, but some people lack the skills and time to make a porn game. They can, however, criticize it without trying to destroy it.
DeleteIf you don't like the way your government works, should you personally start a revolt and build a new country? A lot of the critics are trying to help, but are too upset to come across pleasantly. Some might be idiots.
I don't think anyone is arguing that programming is easy or simple. And Hartista hasn't complained that it's too complex for him.
From what I've seen, their complaints stem around time management. They don't want things faster - they want them on-time. If Hartista says it will be ready in two weeks, and they wait two weeks, they want to get it in two weeks. Hartista needs to learn to stop putting deadlines on things. Not because he's incompetant (I don't think he is), but because it's difficult to predict things in a new field.
coding never goes easy and quick , EVER.
ReplyDeleteThis is pretty shameful considering games are being developed for free and are keeping on track and of comparable complexity and quality.
ReplyDeleteThat's nice dear.
DeleteNOTHING is free, they've either got sponsors or make income off advertisements, usually meaning that they then have to do what "the big man" says, people like H-bomb who use crowd funding can freely develop without any of their visions being compromised by corporate interests. Also people that have sponsors and advertisers are usually provided with a small/medium sized team with expert programmers/coders/general staff. and if you're talking about the small user-created flash games floating around, they usually just download assets from the net and do some simple "if this happens then this happens" programming, H-bomb has to use non-standard assets and incorporate variables into different situations... I could go on but I think you (hopefully) get my point.
DeleteReally? So, for example, OpenTTD (which is roughly infinitely more complex than any ero game known to me) is developed in Google-compatible way 'cause they use Google-Ads to pay for their servers? How come I never noticed ...
Deleteif there's no ads then its likely sponsors, I only know the basics of it never really studied into such things, but i do know that NOTHING is free, freaking air takes carbon dioxide to produce which is a trade, there's a cost to literally everything, doesn't matter how or what it is, there is a cost.
DeleteYeah, right, so, in conclusion, you have no idea what you're talking about but claim some stuff anyways, and just in case that isn't enough make some totally arbitrary comparisons which have nothing to do at all with the issue at hand. ^__^
DeleteI'm perfectly fine with BS being produced commercially, but it's nonetheless nothing that couldn't be produced as an open-source projects by some enthusiastic people. It's nowhere near the level where you'd have to say that a free production would be unreasonable and cannot be expected. Yet, anyways. Might change one day, which is obviously the sort of "hope" you'll be having if you pay for this, but it's not happening if updates stay as, well, non-existent as they do now ^^
You're preaching about him having no idea what you're talking about, yet you have no idea what changes are even being made to the game in of itself. And you know what, if you have an issue with people paying for a slow period of development, then fucking leave. No one is making you stay, and to be honest, no one wants to you to say. Also, your use of those faggy emoticons in here to imply passive-aggressiveness makes me want to vomit.
DeleteFunny. I don't think I have once mentioned that I have an issue with people paying; instead I only see a comment refering to the fact that I'm, quote, "perfectly fine" with this. All I'm debating is this statement:
Delete"NOTHING is free, they've either got sponsors or make income off advertisements, usually meaning that they then have to do what "the big man" says, people like H-bomb who use crowd funding can freely develop without any of their visions being compromised by corporate interests."
Which is quite simply false. While this
"This is pretty shameful considering games are being developed for free and are keeping on track and of comparable complexity and quality."
(not from me) IS true. Whether you mind this or not is a different issue altogether, but you cannot deny that some one author teams make more complex games with more regular updates with less or even no money.
That's all there is to this. No other implications whatsoever. ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ
Well firstly, the only reason people have started whining is because it's been a slow period. That tends to happen when you have to do nothing but change the entirety of your base system. If it was the case the entire time, MAYBE this would be justified. But it's not been the way it is, and everyone who's whining, is just being bitchy. "Boohoo, I don't get to fap for 2 months." Big whoop. He's not sitting around doing nothing, he's not wasting his time, his staff isn't just fucking about. There is work being done, you're just not seeing any because he doesn't want to release a non-functional product. And more complex games like what? Unless you can actively, and have actively compared, I don't think you have a right to say what's more complex just from appearances.
DeleteHello, Pipbomb!
ReplyDeleteI very much enjoy the work you've done and am happy to see it come so far from a simple little game off LoK to this full blown craziness! As a failed game dev, I must say I'm quite envious of your situation. (Minus the sad little anons griping and moaning.) Definitely keep up the hard work, though! I can understand how hard reformatting the entirety of a project is, so I can't bring myself to complain. Not going to say I'm not saddened by no update, but eh. I would, as a general rule of thumb avoid making deadline promises, or at least solid ones. Definitely give yourself some overhead like everyone's saying until you get a Manager. But also, don't work yourself to death. Try and keep breaks consistent and common throughout your work day! If you work for too long, you'll eventually just wind up being more stressed. 30 minute breaks every so often never hurt!
Good luck with your reformatting!
*Pipe.
DeleteBoy, is it late.
indeed it is and you sir know what you're talking about.
DeleteYeah, I have no idea why I'm still up, really. And yeah, in a general sense. I can't say I've worked in Flash, or what Pipe is working in. I dunno what it is. I am interested in starting it if I ever get my motivation back (Starting meds soon hopefully.) But I understand the complexity of reformatting and issues with incorporating new things into an existing system. Usually tends to never work out how you want it. Code is finicky like that.
Deletemess up one "." and your whole build is basically fucked
DeleteOr forget to modify one variable and your while loop never stops running! I did that once and I went through like an hour of just reading through my code over and over only to realize I forgot the change a damn stop bool to true when certain condition was met.
Deleteand that's what most of these idiots that complain don't get, they just don't know anything about what goes on behind the scenes, even I don't know half the time, but least ill admit that and recognize the work it took to get that running perfectly.
DeleteNope! They don't know a whiff of it! So they go thinking, "Duuuh, no update, clearly no work be done!" Like that one Anon who got bashed so hard he can't bring himself to reply anymore. A textbook example of that. But I mean hey, not everyone can think like smarts. And my god, that grammar too.
Deleteexactly, lets hope they continue not looking (or thinking) before they leap and hopefully they'll leap one too many times and be permanently removed from having to think.
DeleteHeh. You. I like you. And honestly, if I am ever able to make it as a semi-popular, or even quasi-popular game dev, I kinda wouldn't hesitate to tell off whiny kids like this. It might make me lose fanbase, but god damn. I'm so tired of game devs in general getting shit from idiots.
Deletewhat would H even loose if he put the idiots in their place. $100... maybe? since each idiot is likely only contributing about $1 (as its about all they can afford at most, allowance from parents is pretty low ;) ) although he may be responding to them the really smart way... to not respond to them, or he just doesn't care about them which I will congratulate him for being able to do, either way, whatever he does anyone with any intelligence will realize that he's still trying, and will continue to support him in his endeavors.
DeleteI doubt even that much! Most of the whinners here are all, "Duh, I'm so glad I no pay for no progress." So odds are he'd loose zilch! But other Patreons might think he's coming off a tad too rude, or w/e and leave. But hey, if he can not give a shit about haters than yeah, damn well good on him. Even I can't help but want to smack idiots around even if it's not directed towards me. Anyways, I'm out for the night. And this should get back to supporting H, and just ignoring the lil kids. Haha. Have a good one Anon, and you too H! (If you came this far, which I doubt)
Deletecya, and id at least hope he's managing to get some sleep, I can think of so many reasons why he would be unable to sleep at the moment.
DeleteNotice how its allways the Anonymous that hate........ post with youre real name or a proper screen name, be a man :)
ReplyDeleteAs for you Mr. H people are here to support you and youre work and I can bet you that the people that are paying on Patreon are the pacient kind. Only thing you really gotta concern youreself about is keeping people updated on whats going on that should be more than enough really.
Best Regards
DarkOne
Agreed....most likely thoes anon's have had either a minute amount of experience to none at all. In one retrospect i'm disappointed; in another i have sympathy for you cause i have been there in the past. although my stuff never on any level can be on this same amazing level as what you have achieved, i still worked hard for a simple game. What i can say to you is that a an individual i'm glad you have taken responsibility and have recognized your mistake. like some developers out there they don't even give a release date for updates, because of this exact problem. And lastly Pipe, you need to take of yourself better, going three days with out sleep can in the long run seem like you achcive more, but your hindering your cognitive function that can help in your coding. any way thought that advice would be good
ReplyDeleteNOW! With this being said, thoes of you who are gripping and groaning, and claiming that you could do something better, then go do it. people like you are the reason most young talented individuals who have a bright future in the programming industry give up. And why do you do this? Just so you feel better about your self's? i'm so sick and tired of it! every where i go, either it be a console, the P.C. or a game on the internet, If it's not what you want, and when you want it you throw a tantrum like a two year old. so for the love of god, or any deity you worship, and for thoes people who love a good game. unless you have something to say to help someone learn from there mistakes keep that stuff to your self.
so much incorrect grammar. but its late... or early depending on your viewpoint so ill let it slide, and as always haters gonna hate and trolls gonna troll. best you can do is treat them like the whiny little children they are and ignore them while they sort out their anger issues.
DeleteIf you gun' correc sumun on dey gramma. Then please use at least some semblance of proper grammar. Actually, you should probably not correct supermidget, because most of it is correct. it's mostly just has a few missed keys or incorrectly ordered keys, without editing.
DeleteDude don't sweat it, your making a fantastic game, I'm sure you've never done anything to this scope before. Everytime I look here I love seeing your progress and your work makes me hope that once everything settles down a bit in my life I can start on my own dream game.
ReplyDelete-ChiraqFirespinner
For me the game that you are making is so impressive that I don't feel that you have failed the large community. The pure fact that you are completely and utterly heart broken because of these unforeseen hiccups in your progress makes me even more confident that my contribution to you, your employees, and this project is one of the best investments I have made yet. I can not wait for the new version but if it is gonna take more time then it is going to make no time. I have the last version to keep me warm at night for the while.
ReplyDeleteBest wishes,
An Avid and Appreciative Fan.
H-man, you are damn near impossible to get in touch with. If you are serious about hiring a project manager, look no further. I've got years of experience and time to kill. Hit me up. tomaito89@gmail.com
ReplyDelete-Tom
Smooth, and now anyone and everyone can grab your email and sign it up for spam and various other sites. I wouldn't want anyone this stupid as my project manager.
DeleteGuess what? This is my alt email address. Feel free to spam away, troll.
DeleteFinally, a dream of every hack, being an idea guy, is coming true for H-Bomb.
ReplyDeletenew bet:
Deletewho wants to bet that this guy is the same guy that's posted almost all the hate above?
I knew we wouldn't get it by Halloween xDDDD
ReplyDeleteThis is so typical, I don't even know why you tell people dates you clearly can't meet.
I love what you have created and i don't care if there are a few hicups or delays. Because i know that when there is an update, it will be something that we want and i know that, that will never change cuz no matter how big the game or any game like it gets. No big "fancy" publisher will dare come close to a game like this. Which is both sad cuz this is what alot of people like but also good in that you dont have any restrictions.
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good job <3
You know H-Bomb as an aspiring developer myself I can understand how honestly shit you feel about not making your deadlines on time ESPECIALLY after having to redesign and reprogram the game over the past 2 or so months... HOWEVER, the fact remains that despite the fact that you seem to have SOMETHING that's inhibiting you in a way that is causing you to fall behind on your promises.
ReplyDeleteNow I shall look in your "records" (aka your previous blog post) to determine where things started to go wrong and conjure up a plan to remedy the situation before making anymore comments to improve my understanding of the crisis you've explained to us so far and your inability to handle it.
Until then I shall propose a plan for us loyal patrons to help H-Bomb out with his poor project management skills.
1. Let us remember that H-Bomb (despite having a team of 4(?) other people to help him) still has a vast majority of all game feature and programing essentially by himself due to his way of thinking/ style of programing; Therefore,he is completely overwhelmed by the insurmountable amount of work he has placed upon him by us which we pay him to add into the game.
2. H-Bomb's time away from programing is his personal business despite what we imagine him to be doing with it, thus he can't be blamed for "wasting" it by default UNLESS he specifically explains his actions during that time to us.
3. NO ONE IS PERFECT NOR CAN WE EXPECT THEM TO BE!!! This goes for not just the entire team but for us as well, therefore we shouldn't expect anyone (let alone the current "H-Bomb") to finish any update perfectly and on time.
Now with that being said I say the we should impose a few consequences upon H-bomb.
1. For every week past a deadline H-Bomb sets and fails to grant us an update we should REDUCE our patronage by 10% or any equivalent currency that you pay. Im my case thats 10 cents of my total $1 patronage to the projects, therefore I'd owe him 90 cents for the update if it's a week later than planned (but I'll be nice and just pay it since it isn't that big a deal to me).
2. For every deadline H-Bomb makes on time (he gets a 6 day grace period), our patronage should remain/return to the original amount it was. Thus the 90 cents example returns to $1, but doesn't increase any further.
3. For every week in advance that H-Bomb "delivers the goods" for us patrons we should INCREASE our patronage by atleast 5% of the original payments. So the $1 becomes $1.05 for a week early update.
Now keep in mind that all this is to show H-Bomb that we care enough about his endeavor to create this game to support him, but expect him to take our time a bit more seriously in the future.
Now H-Bomb get off the fucking site and get some sleep ya lazy bastard! I'll expect an update within the week or I might train my self to become a PM, cut your pay, and nagg the shit out of you for failing to get updates out on time! XD
Good luck man. ^_^
- Someone who can't do this shit himself...
this... this right here is how people should complain, with some kind of improvement or some kind of call-to-action, although your plan is a bit, odd, and manipulable, at least its something.
DeleteFor what it's worth, I have him on Steam and his total time playing games on there in the last two weeks has been about 3-4 hours.
DeleteI was with you until your absolutely ridiculous payment plan. Good observations about the source of the problem though.
DeleteThe reason people are upset is the fact that the inconsistency is persisting. It's one thing to slip a time or two, but scroll back through the last six months. There is a problem, and I think H-Bomb is doing the right thing by hiring a project manager.
DeleteThis is a well-funded project. Even if the individual backers are contributing small amounts, the fact is that enough money is going into the project for people to have legitimate expectations that something will be provided when promised - or that the promises will be kept realistic.
Yes, development is difficult. But communication on a blog is not. People are upset because there have been long radio silences, followed by hasty and then unmet promises. The solution that someone in their "dream job" can implement is simply INTERACTING with the clients, even if it's only an hour or two a week.
I understand that coding is not linear; there is no smooth progress bar that moves by percentage-complete. Instead, it's a series of walls to break through (or get broken on). I'm willing to adjust my expectations in that regard. However, why delay all updates on that basis? Why not take a few more months for coding and UI work, and instead add new animations to the existing game to keep the fappers happy in the meantime?
I encourage the group to keep it civil - but supporters and detractors should lay off each other. This is our only way to communicate with H-Bomb and team, so there will always be a mixed bag of reactions that ought to be expressed.
I'm incredibly disappointed. Three days? You should take better care of yourself. The rest of us can wait a little longer. Delays and hiccups are to be expected in a project this huge. You just do what you need to do!
ReplyDeleteMaybe you can, but others can't.
DeleteAnd I'm not surprised. For Patrons, this has been two months of no updates and broken promises. So, to be frank, I can see why some people out there will be slightly pissed at having no update for so long. Furthermore, this is only compounded by the fact that he is getting so much money for it (upwards $40,000) when there has been nothing to show for it.
Further playing Devil's Advocate here, so to add to this there has always been those periods where Pipebomb has just disappeared off the face of the planet, and only pops up to say either "Here have an update" or "Sorry, you'll have to wait a while"
So you can at least see why some people are extremely annoyed by it all.
if u can't resolve a main problem , smash it in tinier piece for solve them
ReplyDeleteSad to see you fall behind schedule, but It doesnt really matter to me, even though I'm an patron.
ReplyDeleteI might be more patient, because of me beeing used to how "indie" porn devs always get fucked by their code. Games like
Fenoxo's CoC.
Xaedras game "Nimin" (a lot like CoC).
Anonymous Man's Game "Cursed".
Avalnox' game BSC.
Project X by Zeta R02.
Skyrockets new game that has been in development since 2008.
VH.
that Deep throat flash game
Any games to recommend? Preferable with Animation
DeleteI thought Super Deep Throat was dead?
DeleteWell that depends, if you don't mind Lori, Violated Heroine and Skyrockets game (formerly known as MU soft) is a safe bet.
DeleteProject X is an awesome 2d side-scroll fighter, using Sonic characters.
Other than that, not too sure.
Deep throat is indeed dead, at least last time i saw it.
I'm playing this game from the begining and you do good job, but why not solve the bugs in game or missing annimations than add more and more new stuff ? i know that must be hard so keep going and don't listen the mad ones.
ReplyDeleteMake small updates like adding 1 or 2 news animations missing while you work on your big update :)
Here's the thing, the update is a restructure of the game itself. Which means that any stability it had, is toppled. If he was to just slap some stuff on it, and release it as a crowd-pleasure, it'd blow up in his face. It's like trying to make a house, by only having the supports, and slapping a roof on it then telling the tenants they can move in now because they won't shut up about it. You can't restructure something, then release it half-cocked. It's going to be incredibly nonfunctional, then you'll just have more people whining about an "unfinished" product.
DeleteIt's okay, really. We (or at least I) understand that coding is not easy work. Afterall, in past month, you've been basically re-doing the whole game in different coding. testing new things, hunting bugs, and integrating all the new things together was not gonna be an easy work. If it was, all of us would make games like this ourselves, wouldn't we? You're doing an awesome job and I'm sorry some people are impatient or downward rude for the long time since update - we are all eager, but that does not permit such rude words, especially since they don't have a slightest clue what they are talking about here. Don't worry, take a good night's rest and return to working when you'll feel better.
ReplyDeletepessoal eu sei que eu não colaborei com meu dinheiro e por isso eu não tenho o direito de falar mas todos cometem erros e esse erro só ocorreu por causa do esforço do trabalho e dedicação que ele tem pelo projeto ou seja ele não teve culpa disso alem do mais esperar nunca matou ninguém e ele tem feito um ótimo trabalho bem tudo que poso dizer e aqueles que nunca cometeram um erro por menor que seja atire a primeira pedra (personally I know I have not collaborated with my money so I have no right to speak but everyone makes mistakes and this error only occurred because of the stress of work and dedication he has for the project ie he did not blame beyond the longer you wait never killed anyone and he has done a great job all that well poso say and those who never made a mistake no matter how small cast the first stone )
ReplyDeleteRegardless of any delays that may occur, the game is good and has a lot of potential. Keep up the good work and take care of yourself, please. And thank you.
ReplyDeleteHey H-Bomb, I'm running into the same trouble as Tomatio up there in the comments with finding where to contact you at so hope this comment makes it to you. You've got a lot of dedicated fans supporting you right now, and I'm definitely one of them, been following the progress of this game for over a year now. That being said I can only imagine the struggles of this all, and when I saw that you needed a project manager I reached out to a friend of mine and he's pretty much willing to work for next to nothing right now to help you out. He's got years of experience in project managing as well as just got himself a college degree in it. Currently he's handling the upgrades of multiple servers within his gaming community, writing a few books, and has a bit of coding knowledge so he'd be able to understand the milestones to set and challenges you would face and need to overcome. I don't want to waste your time with a long post but if you're interested just email me at beckyfkitty@gmail.com and I can get you in touch with him. He's offering an upwards of 5 hours of planning a day for now to make your life a bit easier.
ReplyDeleteTake your time and rest well, i know its for the greater good of the game.
ReplyDeleteDon`t worry about the trolls.
Morning (or afternoon) H ... I agree with Marcy. Don't sweat it. One trick that works for me most of the time and costs a lot less than a PM is a simple variation on "setting your watch ahead a few minutes so you're not late for meetings"
ReplyDeleteWhenever I'm forced to bite the bullet and specify a hard date for a project milestone. I always set two dates, one that I give out, and one 48 hours in advance, just for the team. The advance date is my cutoff for new work / features. The later date is the actual release. Once I hit my advance date all new work stops and I pour myself fully into final integration and feature testing. Most of the time I'm good with one day but the second has saved me a but-load of embarrassment many times. Like I said a simple trick, but it really helps, and most of the time you would end up free on release day to spend some time on the blog bitch-slapping trolls.
Also I have to agree with Ironvien's previous post that while we understand the balance you're trying to achieve with the animations, there really should be "something" there. My recommendation, again agreeing with him for the most part ... I think it would be in the teams best interest to generate 2 or 3 generic "shadow scenes" such as ... A stylized foreground of a pen (common to all) and several variations of "shadow creatures" screwing in the background which would be randomly accessed if no specific animation exists for that creature. You could always add to the variations of shadows later as time permits.
Just an Idea to kick around.
I feel like everyone here is just hearing the same arguments from two different perspectives over and over. There are the optimists (White Knights) and the pessimists (Trolls). So without further adieu, these are the two most common issues under scrutiny:
ReplyDeleteLack of updates:
White Knights perspective - Coding is exceptionally tricky and time consuming. It is so time consuming that H-bomb cannot, and should not, break his concentration to make updates on his blog. He's working hard on the game and hates to let his supporters down. Good things will come to those who wait.
Trolls perspective - H-bomb found a cash cow and is going to do the minimum amount of effort to keep the money coming in. When a due date comes up, make excuses that the White Knights will believe to keep the status quo without a hint of evidence that work is actually being done. The longer this project goes, the more money in H-bombs pocket. Only a sucker would pay for something and get nothing in return.
Donation expectations:
White Knights perspective - Donations are gestures of good will. You shouldn't expect anything in return. The perks for donating and the product itself are more than enough compensation for your financial support.
Trolls perspective - Donations are the same as payment where a product is concerned (a sex game in this instance). Pateron is like KickStarter or OffBeatr: You pledge to a project and you get a product in return. If you don't get the product as outlined in the project description, you feel ripped-off.
Since hardly, if any, of us know H-bomb or S-purple personally, its nearly impossible to say which of these viewpoints is correct. As with most thing is life, I feel like it is somewhere in between the extremes. My belief is that H-bomb could be trying harder to get the updates out on time, or at least let the public know they are going to be late before its actually late. I believe there is some obligation for H-bomb to adhere to his Patreon release schedule and rewards, but the team is comprised of four individuals who have never done anything like this before. There are going to be growing pains for which there should be some patience if releases are a bit late.
So all-in-all, I'll continue to support this project, but I wish it was being done more quickly and efficiently. Hopefully a project manager/community support person will help all of this. Time will tell.
This
DeleteYeesh, I go to sleep, check in, there's a whole new post with a full-blown flamewar going on.
ReplyDeleteI've haven't seen all the comments yet but i have a bad feeling about it.
DeleteDude take a couple of days off and chill you've already done enough for everybody we can wait a few weeks for an update but you cant keep overworking your self
ReplyDeleteAw man this post means that there will be no update today again... will be back in 2 months
ReplyDeleteAlthough I'm disappointed, I've seen this a hundred times: someone with a skill tries to start a business, not realizing that business is its own, very difficult skill. It's especially problematic when the business gets popular very quickly.
ReplyDeleteYou haven't had time to learn how to actually do this for a living. Administration and project management are difficult. Cut yourself some slack, and don't screw over your future-self by making promises.
good call, friend
ReplyDeleteI'm a aspiring game developer myself and I've worked on a few projects. Here's something valuable that I've learned, it's so easy to criticize but so hard to create. Anyone can point out a flaw but shaping something into a cohesive whole that can even contain a flaw is a feat in of itself that takes a massive amount of effort.
ReplyDeleteWhat many people don't understand is that the creative process, especially when coding. Does NOT have linear progression, at any time you can be sent back to square one. Its why major firms set dates months ahead when the build is almost complete. Because when it comes to games, almost finished and finished are leagues apart. What many of your are mistaking for laziness, "He worked his ass off in the last 3 days" isn't uncommon in the actual professional game industry. He was working on it and it didn't get as far as he thought and struggled. So he pushed himself as far as he could and ultimately it didn't pan out.
It is important to remember that yes, Keeping your deadlines is something every professional should do. However, you're not a professional, not yet. You have had a massive backing out of nowhere and now the weight of your actions has multiplied to the point were Atlas is looking at you with pity.
So H-bomb, if your reading this, here is some advice. I hope it helps, as it helped me.
"When facing either criticism or praise, one must examine both as a jeweler would his wares. Examine it, turn it over in your hands, and ask yourself 'where is the value in this'. Because baseless criticism is just as useless as vapid praise. Listen to logic and reason, the why and how. The 'I love this part because' and 'This part doesn't feel right because', keep those with you because they will let you ascend to greater heights. and discard all others, for those who doubt you will only keep you down. And those who praise you without reason would only bring you to heights you could never hope to sustain or survive."
-my instructor(paraphrased)
Its ok H-bomb go rest up for a bit i'm glad that you will be getting a project manager to help you out don't work yourself too hard its not healthy.
ReplyDeleteso u guys know when its coming out just curious??
ReplyDeleteI dont mind the delays, I minded the lack of blog updates. Do what ever you need to do to continue this amazing project.
ReplyDeleteI agree, I am having fun just reading people comments to the blog
Deleteman there are a lot of comments this time
ReplyDeleteJust make sure the project manager isn't biased or anything, and has an open-mind.You are making a porn game after all,, that caters to a wide demographic, so make sure they don't try to narrow the options in the game down. For example, if you get a homophobic one, then that could lead to all the male/male animations being sent to the wayside.
ReplyDeleteTo avoid the risk of an essay, just make sure they have an open-mind, common sense, actually like the game and to be seriously unbiased.
And community manager. Get one. Monthly droughts without any communication leads to serious shitstorms. I don't really have to elaborate on that much, do I.
Good advice here.
DeleteDude, people out there deliver updates in a weekly basis, and they work for far less money than you. Hire that mananger and look into some software engineering while you're at it.
ReplyDeleteReally now, you should just release it when it's ready, you're yet not punctual enough to hit any deadlines. ) Stop these childish excuses and just do it until it's finished.
ReplyDeleteTake a day man. We'll be okay. Release the game YOU want to make.
ReplyDeleteTake all the time you need.
ReplyDeleteWell I haven't payed a dime so I could care less about the delay. Free game is still free in my books so v0v...
ReplyDeleteThis is a kind of a big fuckup, especially to some of the less patient people who are already throwing their tits around and threatening to cut their one dollar away, so I appreciate that you're taking measures to prevent this in the future in a palpable way (ie. hiring someone to do what you've not been able to keep up with, as opposed to just being "I'll do better next time, I swear.")
ReplyDeleteLack of communication was the only fuckup.
ReplyDeleteCoding can be incredibly frustrating, there might be a small tiny bit that you miss and everything breaks and it takes several days to figure out wtf is even wrong.
People tend to overreact when it comes to dissapointment, but this level of dissapointment is pretty serious. You receive nearly 24k/month on this project and I doubt even 10k of it goes to your artist. I can guess 8k (or more) is pocketed every month for personal expenses which is unnacceptable. That money is there to help you succeed, use it! Hire a lead programmer, get a project manager. You receive enough money and support you dont have to go this project alone anymore. Your the fotunate one here. You dont have publishers hanging over your shoulder or budget managers cutting your projects out from under you. This is your baby and the only one keeping yourself from success is you. I manage gaming guilds and community projects and I easily spend 2-3 hours every day writing emails or moderating forums/websites, my calandar is filled with weekly events and I dont receive a penny for what I do. All donations we receive go straight to our projects. (Artists, Animators, Developers, etc). You can manage your time like this too, theres plenty of people who can help you. I can give you advice (free of charge) but im not gonna go out of my way to contact you. When or if you read this I hope you understand that this is all constructive critisism, I want you to succeed and im proud of the project you've developed so far. Your gonna need to release some content SOON for your own sake, even if its a half built version.
ReplyDeleteSo my fears were proven right.
ReplyDeleteI gave you a week to post "something" yet you didn't even bother until the 29th to say "I will! For sure!"
I decided to revoke my patreonship, because that smelled like lies, and behold, excuses.
Just so you know, (and mostly don't care, because you're still receiving a lot of money) I won't trust you again. You owe at least four updates plus the custom scenes for the higher pledges.
You guys can call me names or whatever you want, but deep down, you know this guy cannot be trusted anymore, he's not professional, even though he's payed as one.
The lack of communication was a rather serious misstep. As long as you're being truthful about taking measures to address the issues you've come across these last couple of months I think you deserve the funding.
ReplyDeleteThis isn't something you've had experience with before and mistakes (large and small) will happen. Best of luck in your search for additional staff and I look forward to what you have to offer us in the future.
Why is everyone ripping him apart for this? If you want more fap material, this update isn't going to give it. He already said this update is a code rework to make things easier moving forward, so it's going to be mainly system changes.
ReplyDeleteHe's been a lot better at communicating than he could have been. Also, overreacting isn't going to make him release any faster. Chill.
I, for one, am willing to wait as long as it takes, even if I'm really looking forward to it.
To much money for nothing. It's a shame. Can't believe.
ReplyDeleteThe earlier person who said "shitstorm" was absolutely right. H, keep going. You can't erase the negative, but you can move forward with positive changes. Hiring a manager is a good idea and the sooner you can level things out into consistency the calmer the waters will become. Just keep going H, its all good. You got this. The only thing that would be unforgivable in my eyes is rage quitting or even just letting the ragers slow you down. Don't get me wrong ragers, you do have a right to be upset. I am not trying to cheapen anybody's feelings, however I hope most people can agree that even if some bad things have happened we'd all be much happier with improvement and completion rather than spiteful retractions of money and deflating something that is quite enjoyable to see through to fruition. So yea, blah blah blah, shit sucks, sorry to all the upset people out there, sorry for talking so much. If possible, stick together and be patient. Lets keep this thing floating.
ReplyDeleteYou have some really good points. I think it's important to highlight the fact that retracting the money is detrimental to what the fans want.
DeleteSorry if this comes across as dickish but I can see why people are pissed. If you are indeed receiving 24K a month this needs to be your full time job. I am glad to see your taking steps to get people in place to help you but you have been at this for a hot minute and even 2 months at that volume is 48K and that's more than most middle Americans make in a year. Get yourself some help and you wont see so much hate. People aren't mad you missed a deadline, that happens. People get mad that you missed a deadline and you had plenty of funding and time in place to get it done. I like the game, and you're doing great. Just pull it all together and learn you have to spend money to make money.
ReplyDeleten8tgr like your post it totally make sense. In my opinion the problem is not that he didn't get the update up at the time that he said but that he has had delays on many of his updates, and though the idea of getting a project manager in place is a very good idea there is another step to make way fever haters DO NOT give us a date where you will have things up and make it sound like it is for sure you will have it up by then. Instead something like "I expect to have it up before the 1st November but since it is a big update it might take longer if I (we) run in to unexpected problems." Now if you had said something like that I would in no way be disappointed there was no update on the 31st and I would just wait a few more days for it. But because you made it sound for sure I know that more people then just me sad up waiting for the update and that would be 6AM for me since I live in Europe, and then I don't get an update I get pretty disappointed. I absolutely feel you should get some rest and then work on getting the new update finished when you are rested. Oh and to all the people saying " he tried to do all the work in the last few days" obviously have no clue about coding because thinking what he described in his update description can be done in a few days is just stupid. I don't know why he has gotten delayed but my guess would be that he has worked on the code in different parts, and he then have to combine it all together it makes it easier to test if the individual parts of the code works as he wants it to. On the other hand it means that it will take quite a bit of time to get it to work together in the end and this is properly the reason for the delay especially because what work so well in a stand alone version might now work at all when you put all the parts together. Shit happens. That said I think you should have gotten another coder on this project with you that could have helped you get this done in time so you wouldn't get mean messages and by now you should know that these kind of problems can happen and you should have set more time aside for this ex. by saying the new update will be up November 5th instead of 31st of October. Sure some people would bitch about getting nothing for there money in October and I can see where they are angry but in the end I think we would all rather have a working version without any bugs in it then a version you just put together to get it up on October 31st. I will keep supporting this project but I have until a month ago only given it 1$ a month, but to month ago I took it up to 10$ but I think staying up until 6AM waiting for an update means that ill take it back down to 1$ again until I fell I am getting consistent updates that are worth more then a show of support that 1$ a month is.
DeleteNo one forced you to stay up until 6 AM. Your level of disappointment is your own fault.
DeleteTrue true but there was a reason I stayed up until 6 AM. I might have made it sound like the reason I took my donation down from 10$ to 1$ was just because of this unavoidable delay in update but that is not the case. The reason is that at 1$ I would never have felt the need to make the Anonymous post on November 1 in replay to n8tgr post but when I am paying 10$ = the price of a small Indie game a month I wanted to post this, and this is why I am going back to 1$ a month where I was happy.
DeleteH-Bomb, I understand that issues happen. I understand it's a lot of work, and I understand it's your first time tackling a project this big.
ReplyDeleteBut ridiculous white-knights and flamers aside, this is really unacceptable behaviour from someone who is completely relying on the whims of players to get paid, and it makes me worry that it's taken losing a LOT of support from your fans to make you realise this.
A project manager is a start, but I daresay you don't need to hire someone to be told "stop making promises you can't keep" or "consider an alternative way of updating the public on the games progress".
A lot of people have told you on previous updates to rethink how you handle updates. Most people (nitpickers and constant pessimists aside) don't care WHAT gets put in an update, so long as it's regular. Big updates should come ALONG with small ones - that is, it's fine to implement a huge coding thing like what you're working on now, so long as you post previews of what's to come, instead of leaving us in silence to worry about whether or not you've abandoned the project. In short, transparency is key.
As a final note, I would advise you make more of an effort to reassure fans of content you plan to add - instead of slotting in surprise new features and expecting everyone to forget that most of the basic animations and most requested pairings aren't done. A "commonly suggested features" or "planned to do list" page would stop people whining about when neoteny is going to be added or whatever.
Also, don't forget that most the people calling names, at the end of the day, are most likely not patreons...and are probably gonna play the game regardless :P I think a grain of salt is needed for most of the posts here.
finally, someone that's level-headed, the world needs more of you people.
Deletehear, hear!
DeleteI agree with a lot of what you say, but one thing I take issue with is having a "to-do list". This would make some people happy, yes, but it would disappoint many others if they see that what they want isn't a priority. You can see from the vocal outcry in the comments to this post that people would let their anger be known.
DeleteI agree totally with what you are saying and would just add that if you have a problem with getting new things like events or a new kind of monster in the game a good way to stop the hating is if you at lest could put an update up at the time you say there will be a new update.I would strongly advise you to instead of having two updates a month, have another person on the team that can add new sex animations to the current version and put that up as version ex 5.3.1 this will mean we get some new content as patriots (and maybe also as free players) every month. But at the same time it will give you the time you need to finished coding the new event, system or other big features that takes longer to make then just a few days. and just put that up as ex 5.4 when you are done.
DeleteEh, I'd rather listen to people cry about how neoteny futa feral genderswapped dickwovles aren't getting added to the game if I was getting some indication of what monsters/NPCs were getting scenes added next :P (Although I am fond of some elements of surprise, so long as I know SOMETHING is coming up soon)
DeleteThe fact is that some things are always going to be a priority over others and people are gonna get disappointed or angry when content is added that they don't like or the content they want doesn't get added - futa marchioness was relatively unpopular in terms of the comment section, but more futa is one of the most requested features in the game.
To get as much support from patreons as possible the team has to appease as many players as possible - it's nearly impossible to guarantee that everyone is going to get specifically what they want, however.
I see where you're coming from, but the fact is that regardless of what h-bomb chooses do to, SOMEONE will have an issue with it - the idea is to put out the fire, not squash every little ember out.
lack of communication is the problem, but at least you informed us about delays and not just keep quiet, lets hope for a release sometime soon.
ReplyDeleteWhile I appreciate and support the development of the game, I have to agree with the people that say that this reeks of a last minute cram that didn't pan out. Two months without anything to show, with extremely poor communication throughout, on a budget that allows you to work on this full time. This is completely unacceptable. People should rightly withdraw, and it is a dangerous thing that they aren't - they are communicating that you are allowed this kind of failure and still get a full paycheck. Any business at this point should have investors pulling out, and putting the screws where it matters. I have pulled my own support, but admittedly I am a small donor.
ReplyDeleteMaybe a Project Manager might be the best call. However, it will be hard to have someone be harsh in driving deadlines when they're getting their paycheck from you. It is honestly a tricky situation. You are given the chance to do what you love for a living. Don't squander it.
On the bright side: No one is complaining about the catgirls, elves or NPCc being fat any more. :)
ReplyDeleteYour comment made me smile. Thanks :)
DeleteHere's H-bombs post from a little under a year ago...
ReplyDeleteWednesday, November 20, 2013
Very Alive
First of all I want to sincerely apologize for the lack of any updates or correspondence for the past few months. It was really unfair of me not to make more of an effort to keep in touch with fans of the project, particularly those of you who generously donated. I also want to say thank you to everyone who had kind words and kept their heads on while I was absent.
There's very good news for people with a vested interest in the game: The game is very alive, and more-so than ever. In fact, due to some very fortuitous changes in my living situation (my father has agreed to give me shelter and food until grad school starts), I plan to work on the game full-time for at least the next six months. As a result, I plan on ramping up the quality and professionalism of the game itself, this blog, the voting system, and my work and update schedule very significantly.
I'll be putting up a good-sized game update some time before Thursday next week, along with the new breeding season website and voting system. As previously stated, everyone who donated before for a feature that wasn't added will get the opportunity to reassign their donations with the new system. Many more details are to follow.
Sorry for the wait :(. Thanks for your support :).
Sound familiar much? Almost a year later and still the same excuses. H-bomb may be trying his best, but $23,000/month is not helping him improve as a game developer. He needs somebody to kick his ass to get this game and peripheries on track. Thank god he's hiring a project manager. Hopefully they will move things along.
Thank you, Tom, for your report. Military strategists believe that the H-bomb's is far more intelligent than earlier believed. But is he really sincere? Is he struggling with a crippling problem or just running around naked in his new apartment, his uncovered penis bobbing in the flourescant mood-lighting as he giggles and claps his hands with glee because he has money? We turn to Jane, interviewing the people raging in the streets and practically verbally killing each other, for their opinions.
DeleteOver to you, Jane.
I"m not sure what your comment means... Are you being flippantly sarcastic about the fact that there is evidence that H-bomb has been making the same excuses for over a year? Are you upset that fans have strong opinions about a game they enjoy? Is this social commentary about how folks are over reacting? I don't get it...
DeleteThank you for the update, i'm looking forward to the next upgrade to game :)
ReplyDeleteSleep in any game making business is a treasure, as is time, make sure both are balanced otherwise mistakes and delays are made. I should know, it cost me a year from college because I failed to do it the first time.
ReplyDeleteHey there! I absolutely admire your work and I'm not that terribly bothered by the delays, but I would like to give you one friendly word of advice.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it would be better if you would focus on finishing the visual overhaul for all the existing monsters and their sex scenes with other monsters. It seems to me you want to add too much stuff in at once. For example, try finishing all sex scenes first and then focus on the side stories like Kayla, the Marchioness, breeder sex scenes etc.
I think this would give you a clearer view of what is/isn't done and needs/doesn't need to be done anymore in the game.
I agree with this comment
DeleteGood thing that you use the money to hire a project manager who would be able to keep us updated along with making sure everything is coordinated and progress accordingly. Rest well and make this game awesome!
ReplyDeleteReading through some of these comments, I can't help but suspect that the most vitriolic among them are written by people who aren't even contributing. The lack of communication is frustrating, but if one were really this outraged about "delays" (I put that in quotes because, from appearances, things aren't necessarily taking longer than they should, just longer than H-Bomb initially thought they would) they would simply stop supporting the Patreon since their personal few dollars a month won't change how long they have to wait for the game by more than a month, possibly two. It really feels like the people who are the angriest are those who feel they have no recourse, and they would only have no recourse if they weren't contributing in the first place.
ReplyDeleteThe game will get made, and the only way that would be jeopardized is if H-Bomb suffers some sort of psychological problem that prevents him from completing it. I'm no doctor, but I suspect everyone taking the opportunity to address him as harshly as possible when he's trying to be contrite would probably be completely counterproductive in this respect.
its a job and a business, he knew this would come up when he started it. all he needs to do is put out some status updates once a week letting people know where he is, and that's all. 5 mins is all it takes to write 3-5 sentences and people would feel more differently in how they react to delays, if you try to look at it from a 3rd party perspective person feelings aside it may look like hes pocketing the money and putting less in they he claims, with out them status updates so you can see why some would be upset. But again some jump to conclusions ..........
Deleteneed status updates more then 1time a month or every 20 days investors need that much respect given to them even if no new content goes in. As a creator you made this a business to some degree and want to make money. you need to do weekly status updates or people will pullout and it will get a bad rep. I got a lot of respect for ya a a fellow creator but man you need to have better time management especially with the Funds your getting monthly you should be proud and lucky most people that have there stuff further along and more enriched only get half of what your getting and they have a full staff of 3-7 people aside from the creator. Good luck and I look forward to seeing what you turn out in the following months.
ReplyDeleteAs a contributor I don't expect an update every x amount of time. The fact that there is not an update ready yet does not bother me in the slightest. The problem this month was that there were no updates. Not every update has to be a huge deal. It doesn't have to have all sorts of details and pictures etc.. (although those are really nice when they happen). As a contributor I would expect some sort of "Hey, I'm alive and this is what I did this week." at least once a week. For an example of games that do this really well look at Project Zomboid and Rust. If you feel you need a Project Manager then by all means go for it. I for one am content to wait for the update. It will be done when it's done. Just keep us informed.
ReplyDeletehey reading over the comments i do have to say it was a bit of a let down that there wasn't small status update for most of October but i've waited for public 5.3 i can wait a few more days to play
ReplyDeleteLike others have said, I think you really just need to re-think how you communicate: keeping your deadlines and goals flexible, and giving estimates instead of hard promises would probably avert a lot of guilt on your end, and disappointment on your audience's. We all know that you aren't a professional studio, and that you're learning as you go, and are trying to deliver a quality product; we all know that you and the people involved in this project are capable of delivering quality.
ReplyDeleteTake a break, breath, re-think. And then keep in touch: just let people know what you're working on, and as tentative deadlines near, project goals and update about when they change. Shit happens. Code happens. Murphy's Law is one of the few universal constants.
It's Okay.
And have you also considered disabling anon comments for awhile? Is it even possible? As unfortunate as it might be, especially for a project that people might not want tied even to a sock account, it might help clear the air and allow for more earnest interactions to grow in the midst of these flame wars.
It's something to consider before making anymore hard decisions anyway.
Thanks for all that you do, and good luck.
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