Tuesday, November 25, 2014
Alpha Build 5.4.2 (Demo)
Here's an update of the demo build from last night for patrons. This one has more of the monsters working (everything but Seraphs and Fluffdragons), and about 9 of the sex animations currently integrated (that was just what I could throw in tonight). It's just supposed to be another thing for you guys to play around with. I realize that the menus are really laggy with this many creatures; I have some methods of fixing the lag that I'll be able to attempt that should make it considerably less of a problem. The build is still very rough at this point, but it's shaping up quicker each day and most of the major hurdles to getting to a playable state are out of the way.
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Did you forget to post it to Patreon?
ReplyDeleteJust got it up
Deletenvm!
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DeleteI'm trying to play the demo on my tablet but whenever I try to download the exe or sfw it says I don't have the tool to perform this action. If it were a link I could go there. Please help. Im a patron and I can't even see what I'm entitled to. :(
DeleteThat's cool you're doing a great H-bomb.
ReplyDeleteEdit: you're doing a great ( job )
Deletethat was my bad.
When's this going public?
ReplyDeleteNice H bomb
ReplyDelete1 month(ish) from today for public. No pay, No play
Great to hear that most of the larger problems have been cleared, meaning that the code is mostly reworked now?
ReplyDeleteNice to hear! Sounds like you're cracking a lot of the barriers. Keep it up!
ReplyDeletereporting an error with the animation between stallion and holostaurus:
ReplyDeleteWhen I chose the dark skinned holostaurus, the skin colour changed during the animation.
I noticed that if you do a male monster with itself, it will do that male monster/ elfgirl animation instead. It also lags alot when it produces a new offspring.
ReplyDeleteWhen I try to mate two of the same monsters, the build consistently shows the monster from the orange folder mating with an elf.
ReplyDeleteAs in it happens with catgirls too. With Holstaurus, it does the same thing, but with a Stallion instead of an elf. Nothing shows when you try this with a pair of harpies.
DeleteI have to admit it ur doing a greet job but as one of the patreon members iam waiting for the next release a full one with even more scenes .
ReplyDeleteThanks for the demo, H-bomb.
ReplyDeleteI must say I had hoped for some of the new/reworked animation designs S-Purple showed on his tumblr, such as stallion x female elf - or something with the reworked female breeder. Looking forward to these improved assets as well as to the upcoming male breeder and stuff!
Bit of a bug, if you choose for a catgirl to breed with herself, she breeds with an elf boy.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, all catgirl/catgirl animations involve the elf boy.
DeleteDickwolf/dickwolf involves an elf girl
DeleteDemon/demon leads to a crash
Stallion/stallion involves an elf girl
Elfgirl/elfgirl leads to a crash
Harpy/harpy leads to no animation or crash (regular stats update)
Holstaurus/holstaurus leads to a stallion (also, dark skinned holstaurus has a pale belly, very odd)
>bunch of people gets angry and says that will stop giving money via patreon
Delete>H-Bomb panics that he his moneys fountain will dry
>suddenly posts info on blog about "hey I will give you new version with animations later/tomorrow"
>rush and add old animations
>maybe no one will realize that most is bugged/crash game
>damage controlled, mindless sheeps are happy - money is saved
>back to drinking vodka/beer/etc and relaxing until 29th
y u gotta be darude
Deletebecause sandstorm
Delete@Anonymous 9:44am
DeleteYour biggest mistake in this, the idea of Patreon is to support the artist or producer, what-have-you, to work on their projects. You're not paying for just Breeding Season, you're not paying for a complete game. You're giving what you feel is appropriate. Every person out here screaming bloody murder about H-Bomb's slow progress is donating for the wrong reason. Everyone threatening to revoke your Patronage, so what, do it. You're contributing to H-Bomb what you feel appropriate, he's not forcing you to give him money at all...you CHOSE to donate your monthly contribution. The mentality of "I paid for this, I deserve XYZ" is only ever truly applicable in a physical format or where a deadline is set for a full game release and people are Pre-purchasing the content. Patreon IS NOT a way to pre-purchase content, if you're donating for that reason alone, stop. You're clearly on Patreon for all the wrong reasons.
@Anonymous 2:43am
DeleteTier from Patreon
"Full Time Job
$3,000 per month
With enough support, we can turn Breeding Season into more than just a hobby, but into an actual full-time job, meaning that both of us will be able to dedicate far more time and effort into expanding the game"
Say, what about 'full-time' you don't understand? No one forced H to state that he's going to work on it - he put it up there himself. And no matter how much you think 'it's donating', if H stated that he's working full-time job, than he should stick to his words.
He clearly could put something like this on Patreon:
"Full Time Job
$3,000 per month
With enough support, we can finally afford some hookers in addition to food and drinks we currently have. I'm still planning to do some shit about this game, maybe update once in a quarter or so. Also I'm going to entertain you with some lame-ass excuses about why I couldn't stick to my own deadlines and promises that 'update will surely come next month'. Beside that, instead of dedicating far more time and effort into expanding the game, I plan to break game to shit and spend tons of time to repair it, just to change a bunch of menus".
But with such tier a lot less people would have supported him, right? People "donate" (let's call it your way) not only because they like the stuff he made, but also because they had promises that H will dedicate more time to it. Doesn't look like he did.
@Anon 2:43 AM
DeleteI wholeheartedly agree with you.
As someone who's worked on the indie game industry (Imma writer, not an animator or programmer, sadly. Else I might had joined HBomb's team, heh) and has seen the beast known as game industry from inside, I've learned that there are only two types of Patreon users:
-The Fan Type
These guys are the ones who are putting their money not for a finished product, but with the intention of helping the Devs. They don't care if the final products takes two months or two years, they just wanna have it once it's done. And this are always the best type of Patreon-ers.
-The Buyer Type
These are the guys who believe that Patreon is some kind of vending machine they put cash in and they expect to get what they paid for. If they get when they want it, all's well. But if they don't (like it happens in the 90% of the cases) they start acting in the very same way game company stockholders and game publishers act (a behavior I'm quite familiar with, sadly) towards Developers. Which means they go ''Why isn't X product ready yet? I though you said it would only take two months! I didn't fund you to take two months and one week! Just hurry your lazy ass and get it finished! We need a product to sell and make money.''. This is the reason why all the big game companies (like Bugthesda, Bugsidian, Bugbisoft, Bugioware, Bugtivision, etc) often excrete an unpatched first release with more bugs than the jungles of Vietnam and that drive their buyers crazy.
However, unlike with game producers, Buyer Type Patreon-ers have no control or power over the Devs, nor any real ways to force them to do or not do anything, and this drives them NUTZ with a sense of impotency, which is when the ''Gimme game nao or I'll stop the donations!'' threats start and begin to troll all the Fan Type Patreon-ers. They simply don't realize that the Devs aren't their employees.
Sadly, as the Devs often plug their ears towards these guys and listen only to those who actually contribute, they start barfing out even larger amounts of trolling, like a baby who cries louder because no one's coming to change his diaper. And it gets even worse in forums and BBS, as since the Moderators find themselves in the need of flailing their B&Hammers around, the trolls start badmouthing the game at everywhere else not the game's forums and claiming that the Devs can't take criticism (Luckily, that isn't the case here, but go check out Starbound's Steam Forums and see what I mean; I all those trolls who got banned from the official forum gather there to play who can barf the biggest flaming turd.).
So, for HBomb, don't worry about the trolls and keep on the good work. Just keep us posted on your progress and let S-Purple post more hardons-inducin' art.
That's all.
@Anon 9:03
DeleteYou know what I really like about you? Your reasoning, i.e. anyone who doesn't praise a product is deemed to be a troll. But there is one sad truth, which you'll have to live with - as much as positive opinions, there are also negative opinions. And seeing things like "if you don't praise - leave" or stuff like this makes me wonder if you people are actually sane.
This is not a matter of liking game or disliking it - people write negative comments because game with a great potential is in a stalemate, because H-Bomb fucks up one time after another. Your silly comparison of 'two month' and 'two month and a week' is out of the window here, because we have 'month' and 'three months and even more' here.
Also, about so called 'donations'. It's utterly stupid to expect all of 'donators' to be ready and throw money away on monthly basis for nothing. Call it as you want, but when people decide to become a patreon, they do it with some expectations in mind, not just for lulz. And when author himself rises the hype ('expect lots of content at middle of October', 'did I say middle? I clearly meant end of it', 'you totally mistook October for November', 'lol, it's obvious that I was talking about next year') and then fails to deliver EACH time, it starts getting on nerves.
And finally, white knights - you lot remind me of Justin Bieber's fangirls. I hope you can draw analogies by yourself.
The main problem I see with you is your incapacity to tell a Troll apart from a Critic. To give a negative opinion and to troll are entirely different things.
DeleteWhen you give a Negative Opinion, you point out a feature you dislike or find bothersome of the product, and in some cases even propose a handful of possible solutions for the issue. And such a thing greatly help the Devs, despite of not being praises or positive opinions. They tell the Dev WHAT IS BROKEN AND WHAT TO FIX, and hence, they help development to advance faster, because those bugs aren't there because the Devs are lazy and didn't want to fix them; they're there because either the Dev hasn't figured out how to fix them yet or he didn't notice them when testing the game itself.
However when you troll, you produce nothing but hatred and annoyance. Which doesn't help anyone at all. To point out issues with the game is perfectly fine, as long as you phrase and explain it in the most adequate way.
For instance: ``The Tabs in the breeding system have quite a bit of lag when you switch between them.´´
Such a thing will let the Dev know that something is wrong and must be fixed, even if he cannot fix it right away. You're not telling him ''Yer awsum!'', but you're helping him.
But telling him: ``I've been giving you a lot o'cash and all you give me a broken game!? I'm taking back my Donation!´´ only serves to discourage him and create a bad ambiance. All you are creating is annoyance and hatred. Which doesn't help the development to go faster.
I am not saying ''If you don't praise, leave.'', I am just saying ''Don't troll.''. Make your comments matter; if you find something wrong or broken, or a feature you simply don't like, just say so in a polite or at least helpful way.
Barfing out steaming turds of rage won't make development go faster. But helping to spot those things that don't work well might do.
My two cents as a writer about whole "critics vs trolls vs white knights" thing.
DeleteThe comments I received, saw and gave were always somewhere at this scale:
- I hate you, so no matter what you do it will suck - aka true trolling/hate comments (mostly happened when I was harsh to beginners).
- I feel superior towards you so I will point all your mistakes no matter what - aka nit-picking.
- I want to help you, but it just feels like you're lazy, so I'm pretty fed up with you - aka harsh critique (this is something I see here most often).
- I tell you what can you do to improve and praise good points of your work - aka perfect critique/ideal balance.
- I coat my critique with sugar because I like you and don't want you to feel bad - aka sugar coated critique.
- I think something is wrong, but you're my superior/better at this so I try to do it very gently (because I may be wrong) - aka critique so gentle that you may miss it.
- You're my friend so I don't want to be the one to tell you that you suck - aka only praising.
- I don't see a fault in my senpai! <3 - aka white knighting.
Nearer the middle the better critique is.
I'm kinda disappointed that a fellow writer (if you're really writer - 'cause on internet everybody is anybody) see all critique as trolling.
And there was fair share of hate comments mostly made by people who feel that H-Bomb deceived on purpose for monetary gains.
So instead of dismissing these comments maybe better thing to do is think why they do it and seek solution, don't you think?
On the one hand I tend to want to say to people who have put up money and are feeling deceived/cheated that they should go try this for themselves. I'm willing to bet that they'd miss dead lines and probably be accused of deceiving their supporters as well when dealing with funding. As someone who's done a bit of coding I know shit can go wrong and mess with the best laid plans and I could even accept that maybe H-Bomb had to make this major coding overhaul to even accept new animations, or at least make it easier to accept them.
DeleteOn the other I tend to agree that H-Bomb has lost serious credibility. He didn't have to say he'd make this his full time job and keep missing deadlines despite that supposedly being the case. So a lot of this is his own damn fault and I can't blame people for feeling deceived at this point. I can't even blame them for crying 'thief' because there does need to be accountability for the sums of money given to the Breeding Season team even if it is supposed to only be a donation given out of the goodness of one's heart.
Think that patreon in this case is not helping the development of the game.
DeleteSince the money reached the point of full job, for a game that anyone tells can be put together in a couple of months HB has becom dependent for the delaying of the game.
It will never be complete, for in that case HB will need a job, and for that one can see in the way he works so far, I'll never give him a job, and I wonder who will.
Can't blame him. It's a great opportunity! I'ts a job, that's what it is!
*Applause*
DeleteYou summed up the comment form quite nicely. Also put out quite a sensible reasoning to why people are raging.
H-bombs needs to take this into account more than his ass-lickers and haters. Both doesn't help him.
He shouldn't get praise until he deserves it, and i fear he's getting both ends.
The crux of the problem is that even though there is no way for us to know if HBomb is purposefully delaying development it is perceived that he is due to the lack of updates and constant missed deadlines while still raking in a stupid amount of money according to Patreon.
DeletePerception is reality. As such until HBomb starts producing updates that are fully playable at a good pace people are going to feel deceived and cheated.
This whole situation wouldn't bother me as much if there were more/better alternatives to this game for my personal tastes* and I could thus just shrug my shoulders and move on to something less disappointing.
*I do already know of a few but really most of the other alternatives that even come close to sating the same tastes that Breeding Season satisfies tend to do so in rather limited, not very enjoyable, and/or unconvincing ways.
where can i play it
ReplyDelete5.3 is the latest public build. If you're a patreon supporter, you can review the demos by following the patreon link on the buttons above, where you'll also find the link to play 5.3.
DeleteCan't wait to play around with the fluffdragons!
ReplyDeleteFirst I'm hearing about these fluffdragons, when were these ever mentioned before?
ReplyDeletesame for me they sound interesting, is there any existing art
Deletey not some back story
ReplyDeleteA month ago, when news was first posted of a new release, I was hopeful to see the animations getting fleshed out for different combos. I read the blog posts about loads of new features and UI improvements, and I thought it all looked great, but hoped H-bomb wouldn't spend too much time getting bogged down in ambitious new systems before filling out the basics that were already there.
ReplyDeleteI am ever patient, simply because there's no other interactive media on my radar right now that tickles my fetish preferences quite like this. So a month later, delays be damned, I'm just excited to finally see new animations ingame. And then I find that everything in this demo release seems to be old material already present in the 5.3 release.
Is there anything at all new here? Besides the menus?
At this point I'd settle just for a folder full of art assets by S-Purple, and you can get the 'game' part sorted out by sometime next year or however long it takes.
Great job H, really looking forward to what excuses you'll come up with this month!
ReplyDeleteRefer to above post for @Anonymous 9:44am. If you're not here to support the author, you should just leave.
DeleteWTF? We aren't here to "support the author". You can support him by becoming a patreon what - looking at the recent progress - i wouldn't recommend. We're here to give our opinions. If you are here for other reason you should just leave. Or if you insist to "support" author then start thinking about excuses he can give in 3 days, maybe you'll be able to whisper some good ideas to your beloved author.
Deletesorry but H-Bomb needs to get his shot together
DeleteIs 5.3 the newest or is there supposed to be some link that I am not getting for 5.4.2? I already "beat" 5.3 and decided that I like it enough to pay for it, so take my money and give me moar monster girls!
ReplyDeleteyeah newest public release
DeleteThis is the only forum we have to communicate with the developer. Good, bad, helpful or trolling ... this is what we have. It's not worth trying to educate or silence the trolls; if they were sensible people they'd have expressed their opinions sensibly.
ReplyDeleteInsofar as expectations of the developer are concerned, please note that no one but H-Bomb is setting the progress goals. No one but H-Bomb is deciding which things to work on and which things not to. No one said he needed to rewrite the code and change the UI instead of adding new animations to the existing game. And no one said it all needed to be done by October. He did all that himself. So for people to be disappointed by the consistent failures to meet self-imposed deadlines is not just a case of entitlement. Nor should it be surprising that they want to express their disappointment in the only forum they have to communicate with the developer.
Picture an alternative timeline, in which H-Bomb works on the UI rework, game expansion and code refactoring in the background, while S-Purple and Mittsies add their new animations within the existing framework at a rate of 2 scenes or pairings per month. While some would still undoubtedly troll, there would be no pressure on H-Bomb to deliver code changes within a set time (given that there are numerous obstacles to overcome that may take a day or a week or a month to sort out because that's the nature of development). And there would be less to bray about on the forums.
He's already making some improvements. The more frequent status updates are short enough to be sustainable, but informative enough to keep us interested. While he's not really doing any better at setting and achieving timeline goals, he is at least doing better at keeping the community aware that things are really happening.
I look forward to assisting with bug reports or usability evaluations or whatever is helpful.
The problem lies with Patreon. Believe me, people would not be nearly as disappointed with the slow pace of work if the author wouldn't receive an absurdly high amount of monthly income in advance. People see this huge sum and simply can't fathom the recent failings in communication and progress. It's really that simple.
DeleteSo let's say there are people who take pleasure in trolling another just for the sake of trolling. Sure, that exists. But i truly don't believe that this is a major factor here.
Projects like these are regularly funded by donations. Most of the time, developers have to deliver something in advance before they can hope to receive a significant amount of fundings through doantions. Things like Patreon? They lead to misunderstandings and failures. What was once an uncertain income in the form of monetary reward for a piece of work is now a steady, monthly income that is no longer justified by the work it is associated to.
Yes, Patrons are right to mention that they couldn't care less about a few dollars they put into it. But they fail to see the bigger picture. The few dollars add up. How could a monthly update ever reflect an amount of monthly income that rivals the annual income of a hard working regular person? The author would have to finish several games like Breeding Season per month to truly give back what he already received.
if someone was making a game like this on patreon too, i'd also support it, especially if it was better.
DeleteThe main problem I see here and they main reason for frustration on the side of the patrons and supporters is the difference in perception between the developer and the fans.
ReplyDeleteWhile H-Bomb sees it as a developer and is really psyched about the progress he made with the new system and the dramatic changes - the fans only see a version of breeding season that works worse than before and that might even have less animations than the previous versions.
Let's be honest. What the players see as "milestones" and progress are the implementations that affect gameplay. That's mainly animations, new monsters and also new areas and npc-interaction. While H-Bomb can keep us happy when making progress in these areas regularly, of course he still has to improve the game programming-wise. We don't see those changes and so most of us probably don't give a crap - but I'm sure that it helps to implement new stuff more easily in the future - and that's damn important.
While the milestones you set and some of the updates you give might not be perfect from a PR-perspective I still like it pretty much. I think you're trying hard to let us get a close view on the development process. The amount of patrons shows that you're doing a good job.
well we're almost at the 30th of this month and it was the last 31st you promised the update, you've only missed it so far by two milestones
ReplyDeleteGood luck we're all counting on you
2 days left
ReplyDeletethere is a 90% chance we don't get a more than half-functioning build by the 30th. don't get your hopes up.
DeleteKnowing H, there will be an update on the 30th saying "hey, almost done with A, B, and C. just gotta get D through Z done and I'll have the new build up by tomorrow night at the latest."
Then on the 1st, "here is build 5.4.3 - all I did was fix the animation bugs. I'll have the functioning build up by the 15th"
Will non-patreons have to wait a full month before we get this update? Since otherwise we won't get anything this month.
ReplyDeleteWhen is it for public?
ReplyDeleteyeah men that would be really cool, i also hoope there in a near future add a tentacle beast, maybe like the alraune event, or a permanent species,
ReplyDeleteor maybe some new pens and monsters like mermaids pool.all who agree say I
ReplyDeleteI absolutly agree about the mermaids pool, but I WANT A TENTACLE MONSTER
ReplyDeleteok yeah i think a tentacle monster would be pretty fucking sweet. thanks for agreeing about mermaids bro
ReplyDeleteSo does the current build have any male breeder animations yet?
ReplyDeleteWhat about the public players
ReplyDeletewhat happened to the wiki?
ReplyDeleteIts not fair that the public does not have 5. 4
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