Friday, September 5, 2014

Jake Kaufman and Alpha Build 5.1.1 Public Release

Alright, I am incredibly, incredibly psyched about this announcement:

Many of you may already be familiar with the incredibly talented composer Jake "virt" Kaufman. If you're not, you may be familiar with the fucking amazing soundtrack to Shovel Knight that he composed. And if you're not familiar with Shovel Knight...well then immediately go buy Shovel Knight; it's a seriously fantastic game. He's also responsible for the music of the Mighty series, including some of my favorite game OSTs of all time, among lots of other awesome work.

Well I'm extremely happy to announce that Jake is on the project, and he's going to be composing the Breeding Season soundtrack in collaboration with Mittsies! I will not lie; this is probably the most exciting development of the entire project for me so far :P!

In addition to that news, I'm going to go ahead and put up the 5.1.1 update for the public, as I figure you guys have been waiting long enough.

Regarding 5.3; embarrassingly, I actually entirely overlooked the fact that I was forcing the player to go through a futa sex scene when I set up the Marchioness quest as a gate for the Seraphs (mostly, I did so to test using the event system for unlocking ranch upgrades). I'll make sure to rectify this in the future and of course plan to allow you to skip or avoid any sexual content you might not be into in events that are necessary for game progress, etc. My bad.

Also, I went over the FAQ on the wiki and answered some questions in detail. Go ahead and check it out; I've added a direct link to the FAQ page to the main blog.

86 comments:

  1. There is music on this? I thought it would all be naughty sounds \o3o/ But in all seriousness, how the heck did that happen? Not like I will complain personally, those songs are quite nice indeed.

    As for the forcing of the futa? I know not everyone was happy, heck, I read a lot of comments since the first minute, and can understand that a lot of people dislike it (Everyone likes their kinks and dislikes something else), it is natural to not enjoy the idea of being forced to watch or go through something you don't exactly enjoy... The fact that they were so anal when it was going to be fixed next update, at least most probably, did both make it funny and laughable though.

    In any case, can't wait to see what else you guys make :3

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    1. And before I forget, could you check your email? If nothing else I would like your opinion on the little thing I forwarded you and see what you think of it in general. (Hope I am not being rude)

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    2. I have no idea why you think it would've been safe to assume it would've been fixed in the next update prior to this announcement. By HP's own admission, it was completely overlooked - and likely would have *continued* to be overlooked if nobody had said anything about it. This is actually a sterling example of why people should ABSOLUTELY complain if there appears to be something seriously fucked up. (Constructively I mean; obviously going "Rarh! I hate futas!" isn't really a good use of *anyone's* time.)

      Just remember: we kvetch because we care. ;)

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    3. Oh no, no, I didn't mean it would be a sure thing in the next update. It could've been later after all, what I tried to say is that it would have been arranged anyway. There are a few ways of doing it: Skip button, having her brother 'spike' her drink so she would be a female for a time (And being the kinky slut she is, she would probably end up loving it anyway), or something else. As said, I do understand the anger by some, I myself am not immune to all as I also stated, but I do think it would've been solved over time with 'uproar' or not.

      However that is also undermining the fanbase here. Despite approval or not, it was indeed a bit of an overlook to not put a way around the scene itself, but it was also a good way to test what H-Bomb said in his post. Whether it was 'bad' enough for some of those posts though? That is debatable, BUT. Said posts did bring H-Bomb's attention to that 'problem' and thus it should, should being the key word (nothing is guaranteed, ever, despite our best efforts), solved quickly.

      Pros and cons here though. I would prefer any 'problem' to be discussed with patience and explaining your point of view without rage. It makes both the maker and the user stand in better ground. As a writer I have had a few people discuss things with me (As well as trolls, flamers and the like), and being nice usually accomplishes more than not. After all, what does it take to offer some nice words when explaining your problem? Here you have all the time you need if you require to cool down anyway, so use it and be nice :3

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    4. for some reason it wont load in safari, Firefox, or chrome

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  2. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT??????????
    How the fuck did you manage THAT?! This project is getting much, much bigger than I ever anticipated it would be O_O
    It's quite the upgrade from the tiny solo project on the LoK forums xD

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  3. So, just curious now, will there be a hard copy of the game when it's complete? Also, a mobile version would be awesome.

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  4. Thanks for releasing the free version and updating the FAQ.

    Also I think you must be really happy about having managed to get that composer to create some music for the game, as your post sounds rather happy and even the appology shows that ^ ^''
    Looking back at how some other people reacted to the fact that this Futa-scene is unavoidable though, I don't think you're beeing rude here. Not to overcriticize you there, it's just that the "...etc. My bad." sounds a bit like "Oh it bugged you ? Sry."

    Anyways, I am a bit puzzled by the ETA you gave out for when to go beta and have the game in a releasable state, as well as the comment that it's not planned to have animations for all monsterpairings.
    I mean, seeing as how the game had progressed so far, the individual updates will probably have to have a bit more content and system tweaking if you want to have the game releasable within the next 10 months. (Releasable state, not FINISHED)
    But after all you said : "...I have to admit that my timeline predictions are constantly being updated, and anything I put down for a definitive deadline is absolutely subject to change...", so I'm not gonna nail you onto the dates you posted there either.
    And I do hope that despite the statement of not planning to have animations for all possible monsterpairings, we will get them around the actual releasedate.

    So yeah, thanks again for the free update + FAQ update and I hope things can progress with less aggressive "stating of opinions" in the comments.

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    1. For animations, the answer says "unique", so we can assume that there will be some copied animations from previous pairings in order to fill the gap, which should mostly be fine.

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    2. I apologize; in this line of work I've just gotten fairly desensitized to viewing sexual content that I'm not personally into, so I don't always realize right away how unpleasant it can be for others. No offense was intended. I totally understand why a lot of players were so upset and having particular sexual content that you have to view to progress goes against promises I've made previously, so I'll make sure it doesn't happen again in the future.

      Regarding the release timeline; a lot of the work that has gone into the game so far is work that you don't see. There's a lot of pre-production work that we've had to actually do mid-production just because of the weird way we've gone about funding. Much of what we spend our time doing is design work and figuring out how to make things more efficient for us in the future. I Over the next few months you will see the size of content updates steadily increase. That said, big grain of salt. I've been surprised before and I'm sure it will happen again, so we're taking this one step at a time.

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    3. Yeah, not to be a Debbie downer because I understand the production work. But we've heard the whole update size will increase so many times now, its kind of a punchline.

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  5. Wow, that's a pretty big announcement. Glad he cleared making it public, if a bit weird :). Really excited with where this project is heading. Maybe we'll get a legit Deluxe boxed edition with a figurine and artbook/soundtrack in like 2 years! :P (just (half-)joking)

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  6. So the man that made the Shovel Knight soundtrack can now put on his resume "Made soundtrack for sex game"?

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    1. Less stigmatizing of adult-oriented media sounds like a good thing to me.

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  7. Congratulation on getting the composer :)
    Thank god i don't need to wait till september 11 for the public release

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  8. Wow H-bomb this is cool i'm vary surprised that Jake Kaufman is going to be working with the team for the games soundtrack its going to be good can't what to see whats next.

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  9. The futa holastrus and male elf animation didn't seem to be working for me.

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  10. question for the devs, its not really answered in the faq but will the female breeder have different breast sizes?

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  11. in the FAQ it said we will be able to be male character so when might u be able to add that in

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  12. when fuck with marchioness breeder is not pregnant how to get pregnant with marchiones thanks and sorry for my bad english

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    1. It's not currently possible, but will be in the future.

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    2. beam so you can fuck marchioness marquis whenever i want thanks and sorry for my bad english

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  13. Great, a public release.

    About that second to last paragraph, please keep that methodology in mind for sounds too. To each their own in tastes, the ST's and SE's will probably be great, but please don't force them onto others either. Besides, the more customizable the game is, the bigger of a fanbase it will get, the bigger its potential will be and as a programmer the more you'll grow by implementing those customizations.

    Keep up the good effort

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  14. Awesome and congrats on getting Jake! His work is fabulous, and wow. Yeah, how did you manage that?? Well, at least now we'll get some bgm in game. Quick question, anyway. This sounds silly and contrite, but the faqs mentioned the breeder can be futa/hermaphodite or have opposite genitalia, whatever. Does that mean the breeder, regardless of gender, can impregnate and become pregnant? 'Cause that'll be a useful feature, especially if it's balance the benefits of choosing one gender over another.

    ...though imagining the current image of m!breeder with D cups is hilarious. Strange, but hilarious.

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    1. Q: Will you be able to play as a futa breeder?

      A: The player character will be able to BECOME A FUTA (either hermaphrodite, or opposite genitals) over the course of the game THROUGH SPECIAL EVENTS. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO BOTH FEMALE AND MALE BREEDERS. It may take a while before most major events or animations are set up to recognize it, though.

      And yes, I'd say a Futa can get pregnant and impregnate. So once futa breeders is FULLY implemented, it won't matter what gender you started out as. You will be able to get pregnant and impregnate as a Futa.

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  15. FOUND BUGS IN 5.1;

    - Futa trait request at guild doesn't take effect (can fail to appear for over 5 shop reshuffles in a row)
    - All Futauruses have the same appearance in the shop and when clicked at the barn, only exception is the dick color which varies correctly
    - Futaurus/M-elf animation: Futaurus appears correctly except for its right leg, its right hand and its nose (which still have the same appearance described above that appears in the shop)
    - Some Futa elves/Catgirl animation have the dick color not matching their skin (dark skin futa, light color dick)
    - At elf mansion, futa elves have wrong hair colors

    ...Just in case the one of those was missed by patrons

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    1. The only guild upgrades that have any useful effects are the Store Size and Client Reset. I suppose the Breed Request as well, but I don't find that one necessary. The other effect are either not working, or do not improve the chances enough to be noticeable. I find the Stat Upgrade as penalty as it makes the monsters more expensive and they take more time to breed/train to be ready for clients than just birthing a new monster from your breeders.

      Suggestions for Guild Upgrades:

      1) Stat Boost; remove it entirely and just keep it at low stat monsters. The game is about breeding a better monster, so it fits the theme better anyway and since children can inherit their parent's MOD; they tend to grow faster than a wild monster anyway.

      2) Trait Boost X; use this to guarantee that there are at least 'X' traits are among the store bought monsters at any time. Whatever you are doing now is not noticeably changing anything.

      3) Store Size is fine.

      4) Breed and/or Trait Request: Guild just gives you a monster of that type/trait after the time limit expires; simulating time needed to find one. Store is not involved.

      5) Client Reset is working by latest version (5.3).

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    2. Editing my OP:

      - Shop Trait request is WAY too undervalued, especially when compared with monster type request (shop trait upgrade was at level 10): a monster type would occupy avg. of 40-50% of the shop monsters on request, a futa monster would show up once every third shop reshuffle
      - Futaurus bug pic (See original post): (at shop) http://s21.postimg.org/unbgr6e2v/bs01.png
      (at barn) http://s28.postimg.org/5z594dsul/bs02.png
      - Futaurus/♂Elf bug pic: http://s1.postimg.org/ockapd50v/bs03.png

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  16. any e.t.a on when we 10$+ paterons might get some new exclusives?

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    1. Yeah, the Kay game will be this month for sure.

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  17. My question is, does he have the balls to put his works for breeding season on his website or other means of display? I'm surprised he let you post his real name at all, professionals usually never touch adult content with a 10 foot pole.

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  18. This is going to sound dickish, but do you respond to emails at all??? Wtf man

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    1. Sorry, I've been really falling behind with keeping up with replying to mail from fans and peeps offering to help lately; I'll try to get out replies to everybody I can tonight!

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  19. To anyone asking how in the hell he got me on board..... honestly, he just straight-up asked. Soon as I regained composure from my laughing fit after learning this game exists, I replied back like "Yeah, fuck it dude, I'm in"

    I'm a busy guy but I'm not above anything, or too important for anything. Seriously, I'm just another perverted gamer nerd, and I love jumping in on ridiculous insane things just because I can. Seeing a project like this with huge momentum and fan support, AND animated boobs and wieners? Who in their right mind would turn that down?

    I can't even count how many famous Japanese composers have dabbled in eroge. One of my own idols, the late great Ryu Umemoto, is perhaps best known for his music for sexy visual novels, and it's just FREAKING BRILLIANT music. Some of the best FM soundtracks ever written. Almost feels like a rite of passage, and I hope to live up to the tradition.

    Can't wait to get started. And yeah, Anon, you bet I'm going to put the music on Bandcamp for all the world to enjoy. If some company doesn't want to work with this "professional" because I worked on a game with "adult content".. well... puritans can take their stuffy business elsewhere.

    The only thing I'm not okay with is nonconsensual violence against women, but from talking a bunch with H-Bomb, dude is ON THE LEVEL and we hold really similar principles. The fact that Dickwolves are reduced to livestock is pretty awesome. I can do this with a clear conscience. Let's rock out.

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    1. All I have to say in the following line.

      \o3o/ So awesome.

      But in all seriousness: That is true. Porn or not, what is the difference? It is another job, it is more FUN. If you work in what you like, what does it matter? I can truly say I want to see what you come up with for this 'little' game.

      Also, puritans still exist? Weren't they already extinct after the internet took hold? Seriously, the decency of some people. [Sorry, I just couldn't let it pass :3]

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    2. Deep down, everyone is a secret perverted gamer nerd, so with you on that one. Glad to have you in the team! And when it comes out on Bandcamp, totally buying :p and you totally will live up to standard, given the support us fans are giving to the game. It feels BS is getting bigger by the day, lol.

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    3. To think I couldn't love you (or H-bomb) more.
      The fact that you guys are against misogynistic content in the game is so great as well.

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    4. Welcome to Breeding Season man glad to have you here i'm sure you will give us an epic soundtrack to rock out on or in this case fap (lol) too.

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    5. Well, you've got a new fan from this response. Kudos.

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  20. Little concerned about the Kittengirl previews on S's Tumblr. As I mentioned a long while back, the thing that really rocked about them was their sly sauciness ... that expression in their idle animation (both the face and the posture) that proclaimed, "I know I'm what you want ... and I'm getting what I want too!" I know some also wanted an "innocent" expression; I think the top right pic in S-Purple's set of six portraits captures that... but I don't really see the expression I'd been hoping for. I can grab a screenshot if that helps, H ... just let me know where to send to.

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  21. nice additions in 5.3 but it would be nice to see old stuff fixed and reworked before more new things get implemented into the game.
    Some animations still use the old models:
    Stallion+Breeder
    Stallion+Dickwolf
    Dickwolf+Elfboy
    Dickwolf+Holstaurus

    just to name a few.

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    1. and then theres some combinations that dont even got an sex animation

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  22. Now we've got a music guy on board, any chance you'll be looking for voice actors/actresses for adding sound effects to the animations? :) Not volunteering, just more of a "hearing, not seeing" kinda girl when it comes to porn.

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    1. Sound is usually the last thing to be prepared for a game, since you don't want to record sound for scenes that might later be cut. This is the stage where they're still deciding what character and scenes to do at all ... but they will be adding sound when they have the final list of characters and scenes they need sound for.

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  23. The futa scene was glorious, disregard cry-babies.
    Anyway the game is getting better and better with every new update, congrats and keep up the good work.

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  24. You know rather than just skipping it you can just flip it around when you add the male breeder and have us impregnate her.

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  25. Why the hell would you play a "hentai" game and complain about futanari? That's kinda like going to Disneyland with an aversion to talking mice and flying elephants.

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    1. Because it's a fetish that not everyone shares, and like ANY fetish in a game that caters to -Many- and offers filtering, players shouldn't be forced to deal with things that kill their arousal, just to see the things that they enjoy. It's a really simple concept. It's not about Futa specifically, and the folk who argue back like it is are missing the point.

      I'm don't dislike Futa content myself... it's not a major turn on for me, but I don't dislike it... I am, however, very glad that the oversight has been noted and plans to be corrected for those who are squicked by it. That is the right thing to do.

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    2. @ OP; that's just a terrible analogy! I go to disneyland coz I like fucking Goofy

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    3. Previous anon... Not sure if joking or terrible punctuation...

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  26. I want the new game mechanics NOW ! .... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand feral ... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand cumshots ... serious a hentai game without cumshots? Its a no go !

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  27. I think at least allowing hair/skin color options would be cool; no need to get fancy with body types and things.

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  28. Hi guys how can i get true breeding as a trait for the Marquisness quest almost upgrated the traits to max at the guild and still no monster with true breeding pls help

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    1. Be patient and keep refreshing. You can check under the info section which traits you've unlocked. If you've unlocked True Breeding, then it's just a matter of luck by getting it in store or through the Mutagenic trait.

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  29. when will you add a system to save the game and keep them trough expansions???

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    1. Near impossible to do, new versions have new features that need to be saved too; and this will probably last til the game is in beta phase

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  30. Finally, maybe people will stop bitching about the futa scenes now -_-

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    1. They'll find something else to bitch about, I assure you. The cycle of bitching is as endless as the vast seas of butthurt.

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    2. Wouldn't irony be bitching at a lack of things to bitch about?

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  31. Hey, is the bug reports section still not working?

    I've, by chance, got the game freeze bug and it has affected my save file. Loading and repeating my actions leads to the same freeze.

    I'm going to leave it alone for now, where's the save being stored so I can email it for testing?

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    1. Sorry, I'll try to get the bug reports section working again ASAP.

      Assuming you're using windows, the save file should be somewhere in C:\Users\[Username]\AppData\Roaming\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\

      You may have to scrounge around, but assuming that you're playing from a downloaded version look for a localhost folder and from there the filepath should mimic where you've stored the .swf or .exe on your computer. I believe the file should be labeled breedingseason50.sol.

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    2. Err, this might be a little tricky then. I'm playing the .swf file.... off a Chrome Browser..... on a Mac.

      Not finding any .sol extension files. Anyone know what to look for?

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    3. Googled it relatively easy, thi is taken for the the wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_shared_object)

      On Mac OS X, they are stored in:

      ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash Player/#SharedObjects/
      ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys/

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    4. Still took a while to find, but that was a big help. Thx.

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  32. The futa elf/catgirl scene is great! every mating should be like that, both movement and facial expression style

    hope most of the other couplings will be reworked to be like that

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  33. Hey, H-Bomb, what's the best way we can contact you? I e-mailed to your e-mail last week, but I'm not sure if it got sent to spam or something. I want to offer help and report this weird sound loop when harvesting from the dickswolves, but uh, not sure how to do that properly lol.

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    1. The"weird sound loop" are you referring to ... Is this when you do a quick double click, then space out of the animation only, to have the audio stuck in a loop and continue for a couple of minutes? I've had that happen with several of the sex animations as well, like Demons & Catgirls.

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    2. yeah but for some reason the sound loop doesn't stop after a few minutes. I don't know whether to chalk it up to the program since I'm using the .exe file instead of .swf, or if it's my comp.

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  34. Will the assistant be able to auto-harvest/sell excess consumables? feels like the only way to bridge the attrition of debt and make the meta-game feel more fluid is to actually add more levels of profit to the game. But that's just me I guess.

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  35. No fucking way.

    No fucking way.

    No fucking way. No fucking way. No fucking way, no fucking way, nofuckingwaynofuckingwaynofuckingway!!!!

    I already loved this game, but now I get to love the soundtrack, too!?

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  36. Hello there and thank you for the game.
    I'm playing for some time and i have an idea, that just came up to me. It is not realy something that will alter the game or it can make everybody kill themselves because they can't live without it, but at least i thing it's something usefull.
    Well let's say that you have three monsters in etc pen and the client wants something that it is not a (say) catgirl. What do you say if there is a fabulus little batton so you can have all exept catgirl in your list???

    thank you for your time, thank you for the game and keep it up!!!!

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  37. Hi H,
    Nice release, liked the side quest and the beach items. The pearl is a cool little toy, changes the balance of "power" in the game. Consumables become much less important. The Marchioness' quest line is not too brutal, if anything it's too forgiving... She should also specify the gender and monster type, and the three traits she chooses should be the only ones allowed in the final "gift" Right now any monster that includes her three traits is "perfect!" so when you get done collecting traits with your "human intellect - 10 monster you've already completed the quest.

    Before I figured that out, I found it much more involving having to purchase and cross breed specific monsters to complete the quest. It took a little longer, but it gets you just that little bit more directly involved.

    My only bug report for this update (not a complete list ;-) Stallions do not show up in the breeding menu in there "pen" but are still in the "all" list, and Serephs need to be added as they don't have a pen yet.

    Looking forward to the new Kay mini-game, and can't wait to hearing bits of the new sound track... now you need to line up a couple of really good voice over models to complete the audio. Asia Carrera, and Rayveness have extensive experience with Hentai sound tracks. Now that would be almost as cool as getting Jake to do the sound track.

    One question or three ... in the Marchioness side quest, the "Troubled look" at the end ... just wondering if the Seraphs are going sew a little chaos around the farm as part of the storyline? ... that could be fun ;-)

    Are we going to see separate pens for the male and female variants of each monster? IE: Elves, Demons, and eventually Minator's for the Holstaurus' Etc. (It's not so much an issue, as much as it's annoying to be stuck with an odd numbers when your doing pairings)

    When we get the female dickwolfs are we officially allowed to call them bitches ;-)

    Ciao for now


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  38. You mean Cunt-Wolfs?

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  39. In my opinion as long as so called "futanari" will be hermaphrodites, NOT shemales it would be a safe middle ground. Comments like Sou's in previous post suggest either party(Gay and Hetero) has issues with the subject matter. With this said I find this storm over "too much much futanari content" a bit out of proportions, there are things more important. Why nobody mentions that creator of the game considers pedophilia in the game ok but, His statement about beast content is (not literal quotation from this blog): "We are pending beast content because a lot of people don't like it". "Original" priorities, greed, or just lack of objectivity? Why nobody took up RHachicho's concerns (from the previous post): "It's a flash game and the money they are getting to develop it is ridiculous. Most of it is probably being spent throwing wild parties at the Internets expense by the look of it. I was paying 30 dollars an update. I have decreased my patronage to 1 dollar a month just to see where this all goes."- While the part about "wild parties" is yet to be determined, his worries are valid, and life teaches, when it comes to big money weird things happen.
    I suggest being reasonable, even in the internet ;)

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  40. one question the events are for patreon in BS 5.1.1?

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  41. middle of the month is coming up, wonder if we are expecting an update around the 15th or around the 20th like last month. (not complaining just curious.)

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    1. Nope.
      Almost all updates -excluding hotfixes- are within the first 10 or last 10 days of the month.

      H (not H-bomb)

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  42. While it's really nice that you're allowing people to play the game as non-supporters, it's really frustrating that we're getting versions of the game that have bugs that are fixed in later versions that just aren't available for us yet. It's also frustrating for bug reporting, since it's a bit hard to tell if the bug we run across has been fixed or not in later versions.

    If possible, consider having two versions of the game going forward. Have the newer content either locked or not included in the non-supporter version, but at least fix any bugs that are fixed as you go please.

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    1. That's understandable, but it makes even less sense to waste time refixing bugs of older public releases when they'll be fixed in the following public version release. Think of it as a bakery shop making you a cookie, and you're asking them to focus on perfecting the cookie dough; which some argue is less delicious and more time consuming than a cookie; I'm gonna go eat a cookie now.

      As much as I hate the "be grateful that you've been blessed with the heavenly privilege to try the game while it's still in alpha" excuse. This is the only legit reason to use that excuse; the ultimate goal is to release the fully developed game, not to waste time in perfecting the incomplete older releases.

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  43. Inconsistency error (5.3; minor issue): Guild house takes time to visit and other shops take no time. One or the other; my vote is to remove the 10 min moves altogether as they do little to effect the end result of a day (a difference of a single breed/harvest/feed). It's more annoying than anything else. Hours is one thing, but minutes is nitpicking.

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    1. moving takes minutes since its moving that triggers events, hence in order not to have people spam travel for events they deduct minutes meaning the more u spam the more time u waste not breeding/harvesting.

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    2. Events trigger too frequently already and not all events use time either. Can spam just by going in and out of pens. Using time itself as a trigger is a terrible idea unless you are playing in real time where reaction time is important.

      A beginning and/or end of day and the first time visiting another location that day event check would be plenty.

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  44. musician?
    one piece chapter 94..
    i thinked that...

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  45. I'm really not so worried about a plot-connected futa scene as I am about the fact that turning off neoteny does nothing. There's really no escaping it, and for me it's a major creep factor. Any progress on that?

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