Friday, March 7, 2014

Set-Backs

So here's the situation on the website: it's pretty close to being ready to roll out but we're running into a pretty enormous brick wall here. Specifically, CCBill was unwilling to process credit card transactions for us due to "the content and theme of the game". Most other CC processors we've been looking at have similar policies, and processing our own CC transactions is currently unfeasible.

This leaves us with only a couple of options. One, we can continue looking for a company that would be willing to process our CC transactions for us, and if anyone knows of one that we can go to please do contact me ASAP. This would be the ideal situation.

Or two, we can change the content of the game such that it meets the acceptable use policies of CC transactors. This is not ideal, but it's very possible it will end up being the only option available to us. If push comes to shove we would rather alter the project drastically than drop it altogether, but realistically if there's no way for us to get financial support for continuing the project then we just can't do it. It's too much work.

Specifically bestiality content and references to incest may have to be removed from the game entirely. This may necessitate changes to gameplay, and in that case I do have plans for how to alter the gameplay and still make it fun and balanced. If we end up having to drop donation features like Neoteny I will absolutely refund every cent to donors who contributed to it.

I know people will be upset about this, but if we can't get a company to do our CC transactions we can't make the game at all. Older versions of the game will always be available for you to play.

EDIT:
I'm currently checking out dwolla, and so far it looks very, very promising. This may be exactly what we needed. I'll keep you all updated.

110 comments:

  1. I thought PayPal was the thing, and specifically what is not allow, the sex part?

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  2. my two cents is this. You've been redesigning the monster to be more human anyway so just keep that up and put the more animistic versions on the back burner, and i guess get rid of the incest tracker for now.
    After that you can use CCBill until you find an alternative, but like i said that just what i would do, good luck finding a good solution.

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  3. Have you tried talking to offbeatr? if they cant help maybe they know someone who can.

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    1. Offbeatr has the same restrictions in not allowing bestiality or incest content.

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  4. allow users to create accounts, and make payments through paypal. You'll then just have to give permission to the appropriate accounts. Another game I play used this method.

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    1. Paypal won't work, they already limited my account because of the previous donation system. Adult content is actually explicitly against their TOS, but most get away with it because paypal just doesn't notice them.

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    2. Yeah, i know many games who use this method. However if you account is restricted, just handle it over the account of your new partner. That would be another solution

      btw, i never heard of them noticing anything about H game content or other stuff

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    3. Fenoxo's PayPal account got frozen over CoC ages ago. They aren't a fan of porn.

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    4. Make another account you said they wont notice.

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  5. Beastiality? Isn't everyhing except the breeder technically a beast?

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    1. Yeah, this would just qualify as beast on beast sex except when you have Breeder on Monster sex. Could just make the breeder a beast or remove breeder on monster sex.

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    2. A furry having sex with a feral beast, ie the horse and wolf is beastiality.

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  6. How dumb is it that CC processing" companies have so much say s in the transactions they accept? I didn't know beastiality was an option in the question "MasterCard or Visa?"

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  7. this just ruin my day

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  8. Make a seperate "Game" just something thrown together. But continue this site on the side with the income?

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  9. Hey, I'm sure you've probably hearld of fenoxo's blog and his game COC (corruption of champions) but in case you haven't you should google it and take a look at his operation. Granted all of his content is text based, save some jpegs, its waaaaaay waaaaaay waaaaaaaaaaay more offensive than anything you have produced. If that guy has found a way to host his stuff and run cc payments and what not then he may be able to lend you some help or tips. I know he recently had an issue where he got dropped by his host and he was out of commission for like maybe a week and then got it all up and running again. Hoping maybe he could help you out, it would be a shame to see you have to drastically change what you have going on but if you do i'm sure it will still work out alright.Keep it up my friend.

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  10. just saw someone else already mentioned fenoxo...........nevermind..............i'm a goof

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  11. make a fake game that they will have no reason to restrict the donations and tell everyone to donate there for this game.

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    1. or create a legitimate business with a tin and everything post a page like its a production company, which wouldn't be a huge stretch, direct all you donations and comissions there and just don't put any content or info about what you actually produce with the money thats donated. Make it vague fluff about media and gaming productions. Guess it depends on to what extent that are going to investigate you.

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  12. I don't see how they should have the right to do that I mean they have nothing to do with the game and people now what kind of game they are donating for.

    p.s. wonder what happen to the freedom of expression.

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    1. Oh god not this classic whinge again.
      Nothing has happened to freedom of expression as we are perfectly allowed to make a game like this.
      What we are talking about is a private company not allowing it...because it is their company and they can put any rules in that they want (within reason).

      It has nothing to do with freedom.

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  13. looks like fenoxo is using some dwolla thing now......never heard of it.

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  14. Would bitcoins be an option here?

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  15. Just googled dwolla, seems pretty legit and doesn't seems to have restrictions, it's your call unless you have tried it before...
    if anything, it would be a shame to lose the beast and incest portion of the game, it's one of the things that made it so unique.

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    1. I'm looking into dwolla right now. It looks extremely promising, almost too good to be true, but I'll keep you guys updated.

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  16. I guess you'll do what you have to do, but losing beast, neoteny, incest and all the other things that make the game stand out would be a deal breaker for me for wanting to pay. Considering the game you initially created is what drew fans who have stuck around through all of the long waits, it's a shame to even see you considering overhauling it into just another boring H game. Especially when almost all those other generic H games are free. If you want to monetize, trimming all the good bits out is hardly going to help you draw customers.

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    1. But if he only has the two options of changing the project or giving up on it, changing it is still the better option. It will mean some people won't like what they'll get, but the other option is that NO ONE will get anything.

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    2. Yeah I understand. It'd be the same for me either way, so throwing out my opinion in the hopes that he figures out an option that will allow him to make a game that I'd pay for.

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  17. No chance the Google system might be an option?

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  18. I personally would prefer if all the "problematic" things were removed from the game anyway (haha), but just an idea: Make a version of the game without any of that stuff and then just release a free mod with the other stuff in it on a separate website or something. If there's no official connection between the two, then the financial processor can't complain, and the only downside is that people who want that content have to go through a two-step installation process... which is still better from their perspective than not having it be an option at all.

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  19. The thing that comes to mind for me is simply this: Other people make, and receive payment for work on, adult oriented and fetish games. Others do, so, there is a way to get it working smoothly: I don't know what various people do, or use, since I often have to choose between paying my rent and buying enough food for the fortnight... and donating to game is want to support almost never becomes an option, but, others do it and receive money, so it can be done.

    You should have the ability and right to make the game you want, and receive support from others who want to help you do it; it's just a matter of finding the way that works most easily.

    I want to encourage you, as strongly as I possibly can, not to compromise your vision and ideals, purely because of what a CC company says...

    -Erica

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  21. why not make the breeder a beast like creature then it won't technically be Beastiality.

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    1. This is something I've seen others do, but I'm sure it would throw some people off. Not me tho.

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  22. bitcoin or one of the other cryptocurrencies?

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  23. If you're gonna try to make your game to fit the site, instead of the other way around you'll just end up breaking the game now and in the future.
    Definitely a kick in the shin for people like me considering the games potential.

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    1. A broken game now and in the future is better than NO GAME now or in the future.

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    2. Disagree. If it turns into a whole different game then it may as well not exist. The content is what made the game interesting in the first place. Take it away and how many will even want to pay for a membership?

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    3. If even a single person would pay for a membership of that broken game, your disagreement is invalid.

      No game: everyone is sad.
      A broken game: a few people are happy.

      That should make it very clear - a broken game is better than no game. Both are worse than finding a solution which would make most people happy, of course.

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  24. I see I'm not the first person to mention these but like some have said fenoxo is still managing to get donations and such I would suggest you take a look at the same methods he uses eg. Dwolla, Bitcoin and Dogecoin.

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  25. take a look at this:
    http://www.bannedwriters.com/payment-service-policies/

    if i read this, i think you have 2 options:
    - dwolla (like said above)
    - PayLoadz (they don't want anything illegal, such as underage people. but since your game is all cartoons, there isn't anything illegal in here.)

    hope you don't have to remake the game, that would be a shame, because it is great as it is!
    but if you do have to change things, don't worry, i think the most people will stay, because they like the concept of the game ;)

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    1. Underage doesn't matter if it's cartoon or not, still illegal. There's already a workaround for that though, it's explained that neoteny, or whatever it is, is a genetic defect in the monsters where they simply look young but are fully mature.

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  26. Fuck it, this is the third time I've written this because blogspot has eaten the posts so I'll summarise;

    Bitcoin and other crypto-currencies are volatile, not everyone is happy to use them.

    Dwolla has a clause in it's TOS; (You will not) "Use the Dwolla System in association with or for payment of illegal goods or services." Bestiality and Incest are illegal in Iowa where Dwolla is based.

    Google wallets will freeze your accounts when they eventually find out.

    Offbeatr is a bit hypocritical about not allowing bestiality when there have been a bunch of MLP and furry projects and the average person looking at them for the first time wouldn't draw the distinction between them and zoophilia.

    If you have to ditch content in order to get a payment system up and running, it might not be worth it. You'll probably lose a lot of the die-hard fans who were willing to pay.

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    1. Is drawn beastiality and incest illegal in Iowa, or just the real thing. I always figured drawn stuff was safe since Japan produces tons of stuff that would be illegal if it involved reap people.

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    2. Little bit more research says that we're sitting in a grey area, it's only the actual act of bestiality that is unlawful, owning or producing pornography depicting it isn't. I found similar information on incest, illegal to do, fine to own/watch. I'm too lazy to go deep enough to find the information about selling but safe to say that subscription services would probably constitute selling if it is illegal. The best way I can think of to avoid that would be how you word it, maybe pay-what-you-want monthly 'donations' instead.

      And you'll find that in a LOT of places lolicon/shotacon doujins and videos are illegal, I know in Australia we had a case not too long ago about a guy getting charged with child pornography offenses for his 1000 strong collection of lolicon comics. The "But they're only drawings!" excuse doesn't hold up with the wider population.

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  27. Don't know anything about law but there is a big diference between saying incest and bestiality are illegal and having images of said content. (Same way CP is bad and illegal but lolicon is ok, bacuase there is nothing real to it).

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    1. Its not about being legal, its about the restrictions of content on the hosting site.

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    2. Also lolicon is illegal (okay depending on country but for most western countries it is illegal).
      The difference is they don't actively track it or monitor it as they would rather put their resources into catching the real stuff.

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  28. Anon up there saying Bitcoin is volatile is an idiot. Yeah that is true but it doesn't matter if you go through coinbase or bitpay. Would definitely donate if Bitcoin was an option

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    1. I wouldn't personally, unless it was the only option.

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    2. I meant that their economies are volatile, they can grow and wane rapidly or completely bomb out without much warning. There have been a few big attacks on the various currencies in recent months and I personally would be wary of having a lot of money invested in them at the moment. Was just my opinion, I was a lot more articulate with my concerns in my original post but I kinda cracked the shits when I had to re-write it the third time.

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    3. That's a problem if they are keeping their funds or pricing something they are selling in bitcoins. If they are just accepting donations, and they tend to cash out regularly, that's not a big concern. Also, it hasn't been the currencies that were attacked, but rather, large exchanges. This only matters if you keep your money in an exchange. The problems with bitcoins are if you are using them as a way to store money. They are stable enough to use as a medium of exchange, much like a credit card.

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  30. When there is bestiality, mostly every payment options gone... I tried to find one but i couldnt... so nearly all websites gone about bestiality...
    I hope yu can find a solution... but you can check this website http://jaynaylor.com/ and its solution.. mostly furry but the way he uses is nice...
    I dont know why the world hates when horses wants to penetrate some asses.. or ppl just want them inside themselfes...

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  31. Did you try PATREON?

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  32. Gawd, I so want to kick the arse of whoever suggested you that donations in the first place (That's right kids, wasn't originally H-Bomb's idea). Then I'd have to kick H-bomb's arse for 'expanding' that idea into the clusterfuck it is now. I'd say drop the whole 'getting money' idea to the curb, except NOW it actually affects another person, Shwig. sigh.


    It seems to me that, for the money side of things, that you need to take a step back. You were able to take 'donations' before, this time make it truly donations (no perks, no promises, just straight up panhandling). Your track record is in tatters and it is simply not something you are capable of, no offense. It's time to look at the reality of the situation, you make too many promises that you cannot keep.

    As for your whole website thing, honestly (and I think a lot of us would agree), we couldn't care less. We (as a whole) would much rather see the game updated over the 'perk' of watching you and Shwig make the game. Sure, it would be interesting but not NEEDED. This whole website thing is taking up time that you ought to be working on the game.

    So here is my two cents on what you should do if dwolla doesn't pan out:

    1) Ditch the site, it's more problem than it is a solution.

    2) Ask for DONATIONS; ensure that they understand that there are no promises being made and no perks either. Otherwise, it's not a donation. You were able to do it before, so unless something has changed from then it'll still work. If you can keep a dialog with us on a regular basis, I think you could get a fair about of people to donate (seems to be your major stumbling block according to your poll above).

    Things that you SHOULD do regardless:

    1) STOP. MAKING. DEADLINES. Just do not do it.

    2) Do update this blog or LoK on a regular basis and what you have done (say, every Sunday or something). You may not have a new game update ready, that's fine. Just let us know what you have been working on (we make have useful suggestions on what you are working on). Consider it practice and being consistent. (Example: I've got the 'event' system about 80% complete, Shwig has finished 90% of the harpie animation's, I'm having a problem doing 'this', any suggestions? etc).

    3) Update the game when both you and Shwig have actually finished something, so there is something new to look at AND something new to try. Enough of this .1 update that just have a new animation or two. These .1 updates should be more of a bug fix thing rather than a feature improvement anyway.

    In summary: You are basically trying to run before you can walk (much less stand) and all you are accomplishing is giving yourself too much stress. Step back, relax, breath and start taking things one thing at a time. Emphasis on ONE thing at a time.

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    1. I agree with you, another course of action, in my suggestion would be:
      1.- Focus on the game, with all the features as they are, you can upload them to LoK and your blog without restriction.
      2.- As Ironvein said, return to the donations system until you are able to sort out the payment deal.
      3.- Don't try to stress yourself with the website, we can wait, instead focus on the game updates; not to sound needy but it "is" somewhat annoying that you don't have much consistency with your deadlines due to the website dilemma.
      I honestly hope that dwolla works, it would be a shame to see this game getting streamlined.

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    2. Every single word in Ironvein's post is 100% spot on

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    3. Can not disagree.
      Folks wait for game upd, not for website. ) So it'd be better to work mainly on the game and a little - on website. You'd understand when the urge in website arises and then work upon it.
      And donation button for me, please. )

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    4. The thing is 99% of us will probably only log onto that website to see if there is an update, which is something we have been doing fine on blogspot for ages.

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    5. ^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS!! ALL!! OF!!! THIS!!!!! I'm sorry but you've gone overboard with this STUPID website thing now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's taken near all of your time and drove this game to a near standstill because your a one man worker going for a team like statues here! I mean really not to say you it's your fault for trying but it's clear that's it's not working FOR NOW and you should lay off till you ether a.) get more people to help you with this project or b.) your further along development to give a few months to find a way to make this work while we test bug the game. Your worrying so much about this website that it has cannibalized the project to a mere trickle of progress with many critical points and paths not even begun to be worked on.

      I mean your last "major" update ONLY added a bit of story to your game, it was (while interesting) a part of the game that could have been added later on in the games life with the same effect. I mean now we have to wait for the basic ability to sell back unwanted stock, we have no real clue on what the science chick mission is, there is no indication that you've started work on the how were going to get the special breeding pens from the NPCs, and there are MANY missing scenes with the basic breeding animations for the monsters FROM SINCE WHEN THE GAME WAS FIRST STARTED!!!

      I'm not trying to put you down but it's clear that your work has suffered and the main problem is this website/donation button problem going on. Please just worry about the gameplay first!

      Thank you for all your work so far and continued time to this project just don't go overboard and task yourself to hard!!

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  33. I hope you guys don't have to change the theme just because of that, it really has potential so far. I would rather pay on a complicated way than having it changing drastically.

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  34. Altering the game would probably ruin a lot of the fun
    Best wishes finding a CC company without their heads in their asses :)

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  35. try this -> https://money.yandex.ru/embed/?from=imainembed

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  36. honestly, I like the style of this blog for the website.
    also, I would rather you make releases that you are comfortable with rather than deadlines that might not work out.

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  37. there's always personal domains and paypal

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  38. Look up which states beast is legal (quite a few in the US), and look for processors in those states

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  39. if the ask you anything about the age of the character or if they say no underage character just do what all people do all characters depicted in this game are 18 plus, no one can tell you they aren't and you will not be saying a lie since neoteeny are mutations not a underage character

    the bestiality part well you should have a place where you can find it easier to work around since they are monsters having sex with monsters.

    and last do not change content because of this. if you tell your fans that you like this new style and would not change it for us then why you let companies tell you what to do, be strong with your convictions, i applaud when you stand your ground before but dont make me change my mind now.

    i hope dwolla works but as i say if they ask anything and only if they ask tell them all characters are more than 18 since they are, the best part is you will not be lying

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    1. Well, technically, the monsters are only days old. They are full grown at birth. Kinda splitting hairs really, the monsters are not human, even if human-like. The rancher (main character) would work with the 18 year thing though. It's a stupid and highly ambiguous requirement anyway, someone will call foul on it at some point (censors always do).

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    2. Actually, the monsters are all thousands of years old. if you read the explanation in the game, they get sent to another dimension in which time is compressed, allowing them to to stay there and grow for a long time, and then pop out back here when they're ready.

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    3. That explanation is so full of holes that it wouldn't get past a censor (HERP-DERP, passing on traits, etc). It also wasn't the original explanation; it used to be that the female laid an egg that hatched ridiculously fast and matured immediately.

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  40. Hi,

    If this has not came up yet you could do something like "pusooy games" did. They set up two different sites, one site is a "clean" donation site that paypal endorses, and the other is the adult game site.

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  41. The bestiality and incest is what makes this game so unique! It would be a real shame if you had to drop it.

    Also "but if we can't get a company to do our CC transactions we can't make the game at all" isnt entirely true, you could still continue making the game yourself for free, but of course you wouldn't have any financial motivation, and your artist may jump shit and i do understand you care about money. If really wanted the game made though, im sure you would find a way, this did start out as a hobby didnt it?

    But don't take that the wrong way, keep up the good work. The game isnt turning out exactly as id like, but its still turning into something great and enjoyable.

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    1. Jump ship* not jump shit, it works, but that was a typo.

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  42. This must be the only game in history where the creator is getting us to pay for LESS content.

    Still I really hope that Dwollar, or whatever the name was, is a success because I don't think this game can take any more knocks. The set-backs are starting to become comedic now.

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    1. Here, there's so many games that got some features cut from them at some point.
      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DummiedOut

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  43. set up a post box and get $ in the mail like old school

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  44. Might I again suggest Open Sourcing the project? With more Devs/Animators/Artists the project could really progress quite quickly in the general direction the community wishes. If some folks are unhappy with your decisions, if they are truly motivated they can fork your project and develop their own features. Ultimately you needn't lose control of the project as you get to say which features (branches) get merged into the master version.

    Going open source would help with the donation system as more features could be requested -> you get a bigger user base -> more donations. If you need help developing any of these features you can offer a bounty (portion of the donation pool).

    If you are willing to OS this project I would suggest checking out http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/12/bithub/

    If Open source still doesn't seem right, you can always just throw up your bitcoin/alternate cryptocurrency wallet id on your website. IMO I don't really see the big deal, this is kind of an underground project why seek approval from big business (go the deregulated way).

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    1. But if he open sources it somebody will make a better game and nobody will gibe money for his.

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  45. Why not just have a screen ingame that says "Here's my bank account, send whatever you're comfortable with" and some disclaimers?
    Why do you need a company to manage transactions for you?
    Is that some american bullshit I dont know abou?

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    1. Oh boy, fiscal matters are so extremely rulebound that anything monetary worth a damn becomes nigh impossible to attain.

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  46. Hi, I Nelson! I am representative of the Russian community of fans of the genre furry. And I would like to ask you to provide me the source of your game for localization in Russian.

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    1. Ты альфу локализовать хочешь, что ли?
      Может, есть смысл подождать хотя бы полноценный сюжет и новый арт, а потом уже чем-то подобным заниматься?

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  47. Hand to game over to Ironvein lol

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    1. Sadly, I do not know how to program in FLASH, if for some reason it was bequeathed to me; I probably redo it in Java to make the game since I'm a Mac and there are no good flash dev kits for Mac (that I'm aware of). Also, I am pretty vanilla in my fetishes so it'd take some convincing to continue with neo, futa, whatever less later.

      I'm flattered though ;p

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    2. "Also, I am pretty vanilla in my fetishes so it'd take some convincing to continue with neo, futa, whatever less later."

      This sounds like a win-win. Also doesn't Flash Pro work on Macs?

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    3. Okay, need to clarify. There are no good FREE flash dev kits for Mac. Since I have not seen a lot of 'Flash Programmer' jobs in my searches, I have not really looked too deep into flash development and I'm not sure I want to shell out money for essentially a development 'toy'. I know it isn't, I just don't see enough job openings looking for it; so haven't tried learning it.

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    4. How is the possible loss of Neoteny and futa a win-win?

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  48. You son of a bitch, this is too far. Your website will be shit, just like your resolve to follow through with your fucking due dates.
    I've had enough, and as a fan I think we deserve more than this. You've lost a fan today H-Bomb.

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    1. Once again I am amazed that a fan belives that he/she is owed anything. You are using software - currently for free, software developed on personal time. If you dont like where this project is going then just leave. No one cares. If you want to stay and see where project ends up fine - no one cares. But until then drop the drama.

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    2. Actually, I'm a donator. I AM entitled to something, so go and neck a dick

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    3. Maybe go look up the definition for 'donation' because 90% of them will use the word 'gift' as a synonym. What does gift mean? To give without want for compensation. Maybe pull that high-horse cock out of your ass and realize that no matter how much money you give (and I'm sure it wasn't much) it's still H-bomb's game and they'll do what they need to do with it.

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    4. Plus, there's no proof that he/she really is a donator. Just a silly Anon after all.

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    5. If you gave me a cake to eat. and I trew that cake on the ground after eating Just a spoon. Wouldnt you be mad. Reflect on that Question.

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    6. Your analogy would equate to the game auto deletes itself the moment a new version came out. Your 'cake' still exists, you may not get a better one though. So 'No Cake For You' ;p

      I'm also not surprised that this 'lost fan' is still hanging around; such a hypocrite.

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    7. The anon above is just sperging, and he IS wrong. Website is still not up, so nobody new donated yet, thus no one is "entitled" for anything. If you already donated (lel), wait for the website and retract your money. Simple.

      Yet i want to leave my 2 cents here.

      I disagree with the comment of the fourth anon. While it is true that donation equals gift, why are people donating? Only for support, or are they also expecting some work in change? True that H-Bomb can do whatever it wants at the end of the day, but if he's looking for more donations, shouldn't him be able to make that happen? Do you wonder what will happen if one day H-Bomb suddendly says "i close donation for the features, now donations are exclusively for aiding the project aimlessly"?
      I particularly want to hear your opinion about Fenoxo, who got $150k+ in donations, and haven't respected no one of its promises (and he is intentional by not doing so). Since i hear him being criticized everywhere, i'd like to know your opinion as well. In this age where everyone can make a Kickstarter fraud by just putting few images and promising something for then running away, is it right to just criticize the dumb, stupid donors and not leaving a trace of blame on the developer and call it a day?

      As for Ironvein, i can't really say anything to you (especially after the March 8th post) but i have few questions regarding the post above. Will you be able to detect who donated right? Will it still be possible to retract the money from donations? And if not, how will you manage (constructive) criticism from who donated (or if tell them to take the money and fuck off)? And at last, i am curious if H-Bomb replied to your criticism above in a private way.
      I haven't been in touch with the news lately, since i don't know if changes are made to the refunding system, or if you'll work close to Hartista, so please correct me if i am asking you some questions that you can't answer.

      I recalled that the two main causes for criticizing so much this game (aside the many times said "lack of relevant progress") were lack of communication from HBomb and no replies against constructive criticism. While this project must still "reborn", if such attitude will be used against the donors i am scared of what path (and reputation) will this project take (not really, since it's just another h-game, but yeah, you get the idea).

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  49. post a few crypto addresses H-bomb

    I'll give you some

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  50. If dwolla doesn't work : choosing the second option AND making an "extension" with the bestiality and neoteny sponsored by bitcoin (i don't know if it's doable with flash, but if it is, it may resolve the problem by putting everything as "optional" or "false-unofficial")

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  51. All I can say is that if I had a way to donate/pay to help the game along. I would do so. I've given $50 in the past, which I do not regret, and I might give many times that in the future because 1)I doubt I'll see a game of its type that I like half as much and 2)I understand how taxing it is to work on something like this without any guarantee of payment.

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  52. How about Verotel as payment processor?

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  53. http://www.donationto.com/ is a place you may also want to check out. Toonpimp is using it. It looks like a type of fundraiser and you could probably do your donations that way.And some of toonpimp's flashes contain bestiality (at least it seems) but i would look throughly through it to see if any problems arise. But please don't kill the current set of trates. As soon as you do that it puts restrictions on your talent and that is the last thing you want!

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  54. Just remove the incest "content". Its not like it changes the game in any significant way and even if the word isn't in the game at all, its still totally implied.

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  55. i support u all the way bro if u have to change little things like "incest" or any other aspics in order for it to get released just do it. all that's important is putting out the game. in my opinion what u should probably try is changing some of the words or things in the game to make it look legit like "incest" into i don't know "related" or something im just throwing out ideas. but if not just make the changes and i'll still support it. keep up the good work !!

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  56. Dont give up on the game. A game is better than no game at all. Try to take time try to figure out a plan or try to find a processer to support it. Dont let cc discourage u KEEP LOOKING!!. look at some of the comments people have posted of other pay groups like dwallo. Thiers a way around everything just keep it going. Change some stuff in the game only if u have to. Oh and try not to stress too much about it.

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  57. Ask Fenoxo who he goes through.

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  58. Removing core stuff from a game makes it a different game. I'd strongly advise against it.

    I am sure there is some way to finance the project while keeping the original concept AND content intact.

    For the sake of the game, half-hearted comprimise must not be an option.

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  59. I'd be great if you could get to pay by PaySafe. Not everyone has a CC at disposal.

    By the way, keep working. It's developing so damn great

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