Thursday, February 27, 2014

More Art

There appears to be some controversy about S-Purple's character designs. For the record, I explicitly wanted him to reinterpret the characters as he saw fit, and I stand by his designs and honestly prefer them to my own. That said, he is paying attention to feedback, and plans on reworking his Lily design since so many people made a fuss about it.

Here are some more character dialog portraits he's been working on:






P.S.:
We're going to be introducing some changes to the male monsters to make them more interesting/appeal to a wider audience. For the most part they'll be more anthropomorphic. This doesn't mean feral/animalistic monsters are going to be out of the question later on, but we're going to be changing the style of the basic monsters. Here's a work-in-progress mock-up of the new dickwolf design:

137 comments:

  1. He's really cranking these out fast, I'm impressed purely by the ratio of quality/quantity.

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  2. All the males aren't going to be ripped are they? Are any of the male designs going to look a little more "soft" opposed to looking like something out of Jojo's like this design? (Not like that's a bad thing at all, I'm just curious mostly for the sake of variety)

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    1. There are a couple male characters that have yet to be introduced that lend themselves to being "soft"er, but they haven't been drawn yet.

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    2. Cool, definitely looking forward to those!

      Thanks for responding, Hartista.

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    3. Yeah, I hope the elf slaves are cute little femboys.

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    4. Another for femboy elves. I know these are the elven nobility, but elf slaves should be quasi-anime elf-slave-wat-do fetish objects, not high concept awesome alien elves like BroQuest or most of what Shwig does. And the slaves should be the foundation of the race, conceptually, since that's how you normally interact with them, so I feel like the black eyes shouldn't be on these either even though it could fit them better.

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    5. Actually, I think doing the elves in a similar style to the new Marquis would be AWESOME. They're not slaves by breeding or force, after all... the only reason they don't do what they please with you is because they think it's fun to pretend to be docile. I think having the more menacing look would show that.

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  3. His designs are fantastic. I really don't see how some people don't see them as a 1000% improvement.

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    1. They're a huuuuuuuge improvement and he's a fantastic artist. I think most of the issues are with the designs and not the technical aspects of the art itself tbh. Like for instance, every piece of art prior to this post that was shown for shwig's art - every woman had huge breasts, so people assumed that he would be making "every" female have big breasts.

      To me most of the complaints have been just about design. There's really no argument to be had about this not being infinitely better, just about the worries of variety and uniqueness, it seems.

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    2. What? No argument about them being better? I've read several, so I'll give you a summation.

      1. The pixelation. I'm really not sure why these images are so pixelated - it isn't from the upload or the website or anything like that, for some reason the characters are drawn with horrible jagged lines. Compare to HBombs own artwork: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VQfO-UdEeLs/UuDNxL6YdSI/AAAAAAAAABo/c_5rEdxgTdE/s1600/cordeliaandroxie.png

      Smooth lines everywhere. The jaggedness of shwig's art makes it look pretty ugly to me.

      2. The colours. A lot of these characters are drawn with thick black outlines and often there isn't much contrast between colours such as in the first two pictures, whereas the one of the male elf has too MUCH contrast, particularly around his chest, where the light chest is surrounded by thick black lines.

      The worst bit is that the Ranch backdrop we saw previously was way too bright and colourful, so I don't think the characters will look good next to that.

      There are other concerns as well, like the fact that this sets back new content being produced for a while, whether animations will look good in this style and the fact that most people didn't have a problem with the original art.

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    3. All valid criticisms and concerns. Though I would still say that shwig's art is still much better than Hbomb's, though art is subjective and there's really no point in arguing preferences, despite your criticism, Hbomb's art was far worse and much easier to criticize, ESPECIALLY on a technical level and not just arguing style like you're doing.

      With your concern in terms of setting back new content, the addition in someone helping hbomb develop at all (Especially in the vast quantity that shwig is doing, and is clearly producing content muuuuuch faster than Hbomb ever could, all the while maintaining quality) speeds up the overall process, which is better in the long run, and will help produce new content much faster.

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    4. The pixelation/aliasing is an intentional component of the style, added specifically to give the game a retro feel.

      I also, personally, vastly prefer his use of color to my own, to the point where if I had a better sense for it his colors are exactly what I would've used.

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    5. Schwig's lack of aliasing looks good when pixels are displayed 1-1 but I'm not sure that really happens often enough in a .swf.

      As for his color use, I usually like what he does but I think he needs to review his choices for this particular project. For different reasons though; my issue is mostly with his map depictions.

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  4. I'm not sure if this has been asked yet. Since shwig has taken over every art aspect, does this mean you'll be animating every single combination between characters like you previously decided not to do, because of the sheer amount of work?

    Is that possible now with shwig helping?

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    1. It's a thing I'm still figuring out. We haven't made any animations together yet so I don't know how it affects the process.

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    2. Understood. Will you be making an announcement on things like that in the future, when everything is decided?

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    3. No, I'll keep it a secret forever ;P

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  5. I like the new dickwolf but the question remains, he will still be getting it up the butt right?

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    1. I meant to say I liked the old dickwolf better* The question still stands though.

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  6. i like the other dickwolf more then this1

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    1. same, and i dont understand taking away the bestiality portion or feral monsters. why not just add more anthros? why are you changing the base game and things people enjoyed to try to appease a different audience? why not appease the one you have first? then add anthro furries in

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    2. Because this is going to appeal to a wider audience than the original, I know a couple of people that didn't like the original concept because of the bestiality elements, many people are far more comfortable with anthros and animalistic genitals on humanoids. This isn't a subtraction of content, it's a change that I'm sure H-Bomb has thought about extensively and as the creator, has every right to enact. Breeding Season is essentially getting a reboot; you're probably going to see a lot of changes such as this.

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    3. Says who? You? Based on what statistics? Your friends?

      This is all information that is completely relative to your perspective and incredibly redundant. No one has ever questioned the "right" for Hbomb to do anything. Though everyone has a "right" to criticize, which is what is being done.

      Also if it's at all evident to you by these comments, the "original" audience may be subtracted due to this decision if it was one of the biggest factors for them enjoying the game, which is a really callous way to treat your fanbase. This also IS a subtraction of content if you think about it in terms of bestiality content, it would be subtracted and in it's place there will be furries/anthros.

      It also is baffling to think that instead of "changes" there shouldn't be just "Additions" like other people stated, changing or subtracting content is dumb, especially if your goal is to "expand" audiences. As he's clearly alienating some of his OWN audience. So every facet of what you've stated is either redundant or just plain wrong.

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  7. Why does the dickwolf look so derpy? I mean he's way too buff from the waste up, and he's got tiny little legs. I mean it's pretty comedic looking but it's strange if you're trying to appeal to either the furries or I guess people who don't like bestiality in a once bestiality focused game, that the design is just so weirdly proportioned. Especially for an erotic game in which everything is supposed to be aesthetically pleasing. Obviously there's different tastes, but this is like a super roid junky mixed with a midget with tiny legs. It's just....odd, and doesn't really fit at all.

    He looks more like a stylized boss/mob you'd see in a nintendo platformer, just with a cock slapped on.

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    1. I think it's kinda hot actually. Since it's so stylized already though, the dick should be bigger.

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    2. I disagree, I think it looks wonky as fuck, especially since everything else is proportioned semi well, that the dickwolf is so oddly proportioned. Also, since it'll be getting gay scenes, it'll just look even stranger with those legs. I also agree though that the dick is too small, but that's the least of my concerns, I just hope every anthro male doesn't look as weirdly proportioned.

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    3. I enjoy furries, so this change doesn't bother me too much, but I have to agree on that design looking strange. Probably just needs to be touched up a little bit or something.

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    4. I think the part that irks me more than any of the stuff mentioned so far (since it's all just stylization gripe), is the tiny itty bitty balls. They're like grapes, complaining about dick size? Look at the balls on him, barely even visible.

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    5. This design is just a mock-up I got Shwig to make me in a few minutes, it's not the final design at all, and I've marked it as such.

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    6. You should have probably added "This does not in any way reflect the final inclusion of the dickwolf", or something along the lines of that. Or maybe asking for critique on it or something. Maybe it just wasn't clear enough to some people, though I assume this is still indicative of what may be added, so I would assume this is still all useful information based on what was shown?

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  8. I was digging the bestial wolves and the lack of furry, but okay I guess. I can understand the reasoning if it's too much like bestiality for a lot of folks. Seems to me that furry is going to turn away people too though.

    Also, I'm a fan of Schwig in general (have been since BroQuest and found this game from him) but I think that male elf is maybe a bit TOO shwiggy. And the only small-breasted girl yet has a weird angle on the side of her chest? Not really sure what's up with that.

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  9. >Appeal to a wider audience

    Wow, that was a quick. You already changed a fundamental aspect to your designs in only a few days since the new artist joined. Usually this phrase goes hand in hand with bad decisions though, especially if you're altering something that people actually enjoyed about your game.

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  10. Why are you "changing" and not just "adding"? Why do people feel the need to do this? Especially if something is established? I don't understand in the least bit. Can someone explain it to me? Is it just like, easier? Especially to remove/alter shit people enjoy? I don't get it. Especially since you want as many people to have something they like in or can donate/buy in, why would you change and not add? I legitimately am befuddled.

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    1. So it can be an "addition" to charge/vote for. To bring something back that was already in the game, most likely.

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    2. The art is being redone from the ground-up, as are the animations. If there was an ideal time to make a fundamental change, this would be it. It's not like I'm taking things out unnecessarily, these things were being removed anyway. It's a matter of whether the things they're replaced with are the same or not.

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    3. Which obviously the things that they're being replaced with are not the same, at all. Which is the entire point. You're arguing semantics here. Though the decision is completely up to you, I still don't understand why the change was necessary at all.

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  11. Why not add re-ass quadrupedal dickwolves with a "bestial" trait, working like how the loli catgirls do?

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    1. Good question. I still am trying to ascertain why anthro's weren't an addition and they're instead a change. But that may work for the best of both.

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    2. This is likely the way I would do it, yes.

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    3. While I do like the anthro variant (provided he gets less comically thing legs), losing the feral dickwolves completely would be a pity. Please keep some animals in the game...

      A "bestial" trait does sound like a nice idea that could help with that.

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    4. Totally agree ^

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    5. if a bestial trait becomes available then i might be alright with this, but i'm really not a fan of the change otherwise. :/ i love the design itself (and i love the art as well, this style is great!) but i don't like taking the bestiality elements out and just making it furry

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  12. I like all of the new art, except the dickwolf. It seems like you pretty much just said "We need more furries to give us money, screw everyone who's been hanging around for bestiality or my original plans", and sugarcoated it with a "Well maybe it'll show up later, if money is spent of course".

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    1. That's kind of insulting. What we're considering is a change to my original plans, which have changed countless times already over the course of this project. It's a creative decision.

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    2. I agree that whoever wrote that doesn't know what tact means. Though if I can interject here, I think a few of the posters are mostly miffed because it's a change on something that may have been the entire reason to enjoy your game for them, they obviously don't speak for everyone or even a lot of people. Though you upped and changed it, citing the only reason being a "creative decision" so far. Your wording on the P.S. and your absence of an actual explanation of a drastic change, and your constant need for reminding people about paying for options/signing up spending money for options, does seem to imply exactly what he wrote though, despite how poorly in taste it was written.

      To me it's a poor decision to make when you want paying customers, to change fundamental aspects, instead of making additions to draw in a wider audience. You'll eliminate people wantonly who enjoyed those aspects and it suggests that you're very callous to those decisions in alienating some of the fan base who may have stuck with you through all of the absences and false promises.

      That's just my 2 cents though. I also want to note I don't speak for the guy you responded to, in case he gets pissed at me, just giving my point of view.

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  13. Why does the dickwolf have a horse dick? Canine dicks don't look anything like that.

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    1. Isn't that just a cock sheath?

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    2. Dude no, cock sheaths don't look like that. That's a wang hanging, can you not tell a penis when you see it?

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    3. yeah that dick is fucked up, give him a knot and pointy prick at least if you're making him anthro

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    4. To be fair, it was wrong before too.

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  14. it's just about lily , the heart shape maked by her generosity ^^ . keep it

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  15. no more wolves or horses or animals just furries.....wwhhhyyyyyyy :'(?

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  16. Im not sure if you take suggestions, or if anyone has already suggested this...but I have been thinking of some possible traits.

    - Double Dicked; as you might guess, the monster with this trait would have two dicks instead of just one, allowing for perfect double penetration, vaginal/tittyfuck or blowjob/tittyfuck for example. Ofcourse, female monsters would only be a carrier for this Trait, but for Futa's it would work same as males. Downside I can see for this is the requirement for new animations(slightly altered versions of the normal ones)
    - Sterile; bit of a negative Trait here. The monster cannot produce offspring. While this seems bad and should be avoided at all costs, you might want it to prevent inbreeding when you are just mating the monsters for stat increases

    I also like the Bestial trait for the more animalistic monsters mentioned above

    Just my two cents for now, I might have more later :)

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  17. Love all the changes so far. You know your business :)
    Keep rockin the momentum guys!

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  18. I have to admit, the whole 'anthros instead of animals' thing is kind of a let-down, and it does take away some of the uniqueness the game used to have. I'm hoping there will be at least some proper bestiality elements in the game even after this change, because that was part of what made the game so interesting to me.

    Also, as for the anthro dickwolf design, I'd suggest either a slimmer overall design or much thicker legs. A creature with bearlike arms and proportions but wolflike legs just doesn't look right.

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  19. Way to ruin the game. Now monsters look worse :/

    And why the games "look" have to change becouse you added someone for help? If his art. differs it is he who has to adjust to your style, and not the other way around. If you will work with 10 people will you be changing game 10 Times to suit people you work with? No. That is not how things are done. You will decide style which everyone should follow.

    Dickwolf new design is inappropriate to his name now. Now it's werewolf.

    A lot of people will most likely stick with 4.0 now.

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  20. Personally i am fine with the dick wolf changes though now it, to me at least, seems like it could be like some sort of tribe somewhere. Still i will wait with passing judgement until i see all the monsters and besides i am guessing it will make animation easier. But what about the player?

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    1. It's not just the dickwolf, it's all monsters. There are no more animals, just furries.

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  21. I love how mistake after mistake, and even somehow establishing a fan base, there's always something that h-bomb does to neglect his fans, or rather potential customers. If you think people are complaining now, when people start paying money and shit like this happens? There will be no civility when people are paying money and huge changes are made on a whim with no explanation.

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  22. The fuck...APPEALING to more audiences by replacing it all with furries? wha...

    Shit you may as well try to replace everything with ponies to try to "appeal" to what you think can get you more people to give you more money.

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  23. I like most of the character looks in this art style but please don't change all of the monsters the way you changed the dickwolf. It just looks weird this way.

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  24. LoL look how your comments section is exploding with constructive posts since you're updating in regular periods ^^

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  25. I really love shwig's art. When it comes to the decision of replacing everything with anthros though, I really hope you reconsider hartista, I don't like the decision and I don't like the design. I for one will not be supporting via any form of monetary contribution if it is the case. It will ruin one of the things i loved most about the game.

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  26. This isn't a dealbreaker but a big part of the appeal were that the game had a more uniqe taste, that there were monsters and not furrys. To have a quople of furries for each gender and a quople of more monsterous ones pretty evenly divided were my ideal. However this art is still good and I would enjoy it, just not as much.

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  27. now look.... the character design are awesome! the guild master is awesome too, besides i prefeer the wolf as a wolf but making he a werewolf WILL NOT KILL ME like everybody else is talking about, i see a bunch of douches bitching about someone who is doing a great job just because they don't agree just with furry shit!?(and i really don't know the problem with the guild master is way better in the screenshot)? gee the game still is yours , its really nice of you for hearing the feedback of the audience but its still your work and you should do what you feel is better and what you really want cause in the end you should like your work first than anyone else to make an awesome game (and that is what im seen) stay awesome!

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    1. ^Here come the small amount of whiteknights who feel the need to insult and try to downplay any form of criticism by mass dick sucking. instead of just stating their opinion. (Just wait till ironvein shows up and starts spamming every person who said anything with replies).

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    2. It is not about werewolfs or furry's or bestial.

      It is just that ORGINAL monsters are a lot better than the new designs.

      http://24.media.tumblr.com/8921b890865164fb0bc882088f3dad09/tumblr_n1ntjxnStV1sb49q1o1_1280.png <- from Shwig's tumblr

      Compare catgirl on the left with catgirl that is in 4.0. Old one is 100+ time better

      The only reason the new art. is forced is that Harista wants to do only code and not character/monster design/drawing/etc

      Enviroment does look a bit better (with the exeption of clock being styled as pixels instead clean vector) but monsters look worse.

      If he wants to add furry's he does not need to redesign current monsters or remove them. Just add a slight possibility of furry hybrid with mating with character.

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      Agreed. The new art is good, but the old one just seems more right.
      Seems also easier to animate and follow.

      I'd let Schwig do every part of art EXCEPT monsters. UI, portraits, whatever...but leave the monsters alone.

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    4. I think that catgirl and demon are way sexier than the ones in right now, actually. Although I'm not sure what's up with the demon's dick.

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    5. wow never thought my commentary has so many replys but... i would say i disagree with you even getting your point... i actually enjoyed the new catgirl, the demon otherwise is well done but i prefeer the original one but i buy it even prefering the less humanised form that way is good to me.

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  28. I'm going to have to agree with everyone else, I really don't like this change at all. I also hope it remains civil in the comment section, but something tells me it won't.

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  29. Thanks for the extra art to aleve the worries of the single type of women issue (Margo looks great). The new art is fantastic in my opinion. Especially Claire, before she was a creepy futa and now she a hot futa (and I don't even like futas; not my thing); sorry H-Bomb.

    As for the whole beast vs furry 'change', I don't really care one way or another. But with furries, it allows more variety in the sex positions attainable I think. Beasts are pretty much stuck with the 'mount from behind' position and it doesn't tend to look right if you tried to put the beast in any other position.

    What I have noticed is that there isn't a player character shot yet, are you planning to let us choose our gender in the next update? Or at least give us something to test on the 'event' system? Now that you've proven the Shwig is quite capable, it's time to step up and start adding stuff to the game, I think.

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    1. being able to pick our character's gender would be excellent!

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    2. Damn straight it would be.

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    3. "As for the whole beast vs furry 'change', I don't really care one way or another. But with furries, it allows more variety in the sex positions attainable I think. Beasts are pretty much stuck with the 'mount from behind' position and it doesn't tend to look right if you tried to put the beast in any other position."

      In Real life it might be a but limited to behind. But that is also limited to one's perspective.
      For example you said "limited to mount from behind" but you forgot front.

      Also for example buttstalion. Behind under as is in game. Behind facing top, front (bj), behind (bj).

      And also this IS a game not reallife. Buttstalion + Neotemy = a certain cartoon you propably heard of ;)

      Have you seen comics people draw based on the show and are they fully related to normal horses body/bone limitations? No

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  30. i'm a huge fan of the art change and shwig is doing a great job overall. my problem is the removal of bestiality elements, or otherwise making those elements almost nonexistent (in the case of just adding a "bestial" trait for dickwolves and whatever, which probably won't get animations for a while much like the loli and futa traits). the bestiality bits were interesting and different from any other flash games i've seen that are anywhere close to this, and that was part of what drew me to the game, as seems to be the case for many other people here in the comments. as much as i like the hulking cartoony stylized dickwolf -- and i swear i'm not being sarcastic, i'm a sucker for those proportions -- i would prefer to have a new monster like that, or using that sort of style for the demons, for example. at the very least that dickwolf needs to have a dog cock, and a bigger one, i mean c'mon.

    there are more than enough furry/gjinka/humanoid monsters in the game already. changing the two monsters that weren't bipedal into furries is honestly just kinda boring imo.

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  31. The character portraits are great, but that dickwolf is just terrible compared to the original.

    I personally believe that the dickwolf should be kept as it was originally. If it is going to be redrawn, it should be kept in it's original design.
    The concept of dickwolves being anthro is a pretty bad idea. In all honesty, the reason I was still following this game is for the design of the monsters, completely reworking them would be a huge disappointment to be honest.

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  32. Funny thing is, I doubt hartista is going to care much about the backlash from replacing all the bestiality/animals in the game. Something tells me he's just going to tell everyone to suck it up.

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  33. This actually looks really good. I don't understand why is everyone bitching about the dickwolf. I mean, the while the Saint Lilly design was a bit off, these ones are really good.

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    1. It's not about the design itself (Though there are issues with that). He's removing all animals and replacing them with furries. Try reading before asking questions. (Like his post or any of the comments about it)

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  34. I guess one idea would be to keep the old animal look (with new art style), and make anthro a trait carried by the character. People who want furries can then breed with the player enough times and get them, and those who enjoy beasties will have them still.

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    1. i agree, this would be much better than changing the basic design so you'd need to breed for a bestial trait as some other folks have proposed

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  35. Since the Dickwolves (along the Cat Girls) are the Monsters you see mating most commonly, at least in the early game, they should not be changed that drastically. I like the idea of having some Werewolf thing going on, but I don't want to loose the old Dickwolves far that.
    Please turn them into a own breed of monsters or something, or make an "Anthro" option. Maybe they could even get a new "Barn" thing. Like say, the The Demons get their pit, Werewolves and Vampires (or even Ghosts or Goblins (see what I did there? kehehe)) get a graveyard or somethin.

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  36. Yeah, tthe old animalistic dickwolf is better... and so is your futa elf portrait

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  37. Please don´t ruin the animalistic and futa part of the game PLEASE....

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      please think about this part very careful

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  38. Why does she have a strapon and not a dick?

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    1. I think it's her dick °_ô hopefully there will be a scrotum option for futas... always missed some dangling balls on my dickgirls.

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    2. I think she's just wearing a kind of stylized cock sock.

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  39. The beastiality part is what made me interested in this game one year ago. It was enough to make me forget your false promises and constant breaking of deadlines. But by taking it away, you're making your whole game one big false promise.

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  40. Right. I've always had high hopes for this game, but now that the monsters become "more anthro" i've completely lost interest, there are unlimited games with anthro monsters in them, the beastiality was the interesting part, and in some cases a good laugh. But now... And before someone says "it's just for a start, it'll come back" how long has it been getting to this stage? How many years will it be until it starts to come back? Even if it's just a few months (severely doubt it) First this change in artistic style and remaking of every single detail, and then getting back to beasts?) Im not wild about this style in the first place but i was willing to overlook it. But... Im done, moving on.

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  41. all is excelent but Wolf no are cool

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  42. Oh shit. Marry this guy and force him to work on this for ever!
    This is absolutely amazing but the Wolf really looks odd. Make him walk on two legs is fine for me but his legs are to short compared to the rest.

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  43. Was it too much to ask for a simple poll before this "anthro" bullshit decision, or announcement even? I don't like the direction this game is heading, im glad i didn't invest any money in this game, i won't count the time and moral support.

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  44. Meh.

    Honestly I prefer your style.
    It's simple and clean.
    Also, whats with the elves having dark eyes?

    P.S.
    I prefer non-anthropomorphic dickwolves

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  45. Huh.. not everyone has a fetish for huge hips, breasts and dark skin.

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  46. Yeah... This whole thing turned into a total and complete turn off... whats the main character suppose to look like? I personally prefer how everything looks now... Your style is yours... letting someone change it takes away from the game being yours... My friends have tried changing my styles and ive lets them make their own copies... but i always go with my own otherwise its not mine anymore... Make sense... Think on it... But I dont support the change, just like many others here...

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  47. Ohhh, man! The first Margo was way better than this one! I see that the other characters could change, but she was with us from the begining. And the beasts? No , c'mon, please the animals you created Hartista are perfect for the gamestyle. Could you tell to shwig that he can change the townscape, the landscape, the characters, but the animals are taboo? Just think about it. Some of us believed to you, that you continue the game. Some of us believed IN you, and trusted that you finish the game. Some of us offered helping your work. And what now? You want them to flee away.

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    1. So H-Bomb owes you?

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    2. No. But is it too much to ask that he asks for an opinion from those who believed in and supported him and his work before making mayor changes to that which they supported?

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    3. You will typically find that most of the fanboys here will laugh and joke about all the "haters" not leaving constructive criticism than the moment someone genuinely leaves their opinion on a feature change they start lashing out with "OMG it's not your game!".

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  48. Its always fun to see so many coments - especially from "fans".

    I think the initial game was fun and entertaining, I am very sure this new verison will be just fun to play. I like the fact that now the game will have a lead programmer and lead designer. I am looking forward to seeing all the cool stuff that will be added.

    My self is hoping for more rare animal - like unique monsters that can be gotten through quests / dungeons ect.

    So keep up the good work - and if you really want to make a game where "fans" decide your direction, be prepared to go in all directions at once ;-)

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    1. The direction was fine until it was suddenly changed into something completely different without warning. It's one thing to adhere to every single opinion and completely screwing the loyalist fanbase out of the game that they were waiting for and supporting. Am i wrong?

      The game might be great in the end, but it's not really the game that we the so called "fans" were hoping for. It doesn't really mean anything to H-bomb, it just means that some people will get miffed and abandon the game altogether, sure they'll probably be replaced with new fans who never knew what the game was like before... And they'll enjoy it until the same thing happens again. And Again. And again. I've been loyal through it all, but now it's just not the same thing anymore.

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    2. Seriously, a monster stands on two legs instead of four and it kills the whole experience? Sure, the new wolf looks more like a dwarf with excessive body hair (even for dwarves), but guess how much that changes the game engine.... absolutely nothing.

      I'd also suggest you not lump your personal fetishes into what every 'fan' wants. Personally, it's a non issue to me as while the hentai was the draw to this game, I keep playing it for the gameplay and I've been around just as long if not longer.

      This game isn't going to be for everyone and if the direction changes to something you personally do not like there will probably be someone who does like it to replace you. The fanbase might change, but unlikely to disappear.

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    3. Ironvein, there's a ton of constructive remarks about this decision that even goes in depth. Scroll up and use your eyes, why are you asking questions that have been explicitly answered hours before? Also why does it behoove you that people enjoyed the original vision, even if it's something that YOU specifically can't comprehend? Obviously a lot of people were disappointed, so it's a very valid concern.

      Also generalizations like this guy made were dumb, but every generalization is, it's completely redundant to say "WELL THERE'S EXCEPTIONS", I mean no shit. The point is that there ARE people who are disappointed, DESPITE what you specifically play it for. YOU are in the minority when it comes to the disappointment, which is good, for you.

      Also that's a very horrible and cynical way to treat people who may be contributing to the project. If you had any form of sense regarding business practice, especially considering content will soon be paid for, you wouldn't be saying such ludicrous things. Though it is true that you can't appease everyone, let me ask you if you think shwig is going to stick around if he gets barely any money from all of his hard work? If people's complaints who paid money are responded to in ANY manner similar to yours or hartista's, will most likely NOT pay for anything else. It's bad business looking at this post and the next, it just shows hartista is an artist and doesn't have a damn clue about selling or having people become a part of your product.

      As it stands since no one is paying for anything, it's just people who are disappointed, and have every right to voice their disappointment, just as you do. So stop being a dick (I know that's not possible for you).

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    4. Ironvein should stop being a dick?

      So basically... saying that H-bomb has screwed everyone over is -not- being a dick, but getting pissed at someone who does that -is- being a dick.

      Yes, some people won't like it, and they're free to express that. But some people are getting pissy about it, and it irritates the people who still like it. They're just as free to express their opinions as the people who are unhappy.

      The funniest part of this is that YOU'RE ranting at someone for expressing their opinion... the same thing you're telling Ironvein not to do. So are you a dick too?

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    5. I want to remind everyone that while you're entirely welcome to express your opinions, I don't intend to tolerate people disrespecting and insulting each other on my blog. Express yourself without personal attacks or I will remove your comments.

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    6. Morgana at what point was that Anon "ranting"? He was civil and calm during the entire point, unlike you who is being a tad snipey.
      Furthermore Ironvein's entire argument was completely hollow. He was arguing to people for not liking an art change than openly stated that he personally didn't care about art as he only played for the gameplay - which means that his counter opinion was completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
      [If Person 1 likes A and not B and person 2 doesn't care. Than what's the point of Person 2 arguing.]

      Also both the Anon and Iron are guilty of the most annoying of points that a lot of people have been arguing around on this blog and that is the 'veteran' status of each other. It doesn't matter if you've been with the blog since year zero or have only just found it, none of it adds any weight to either of your opinions.

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  49. I like bestiality and furries both. There are always a few favorite animals at bestiality, horses and dogs. So dick wolf and Butt horse are enough as animals at least for now. You should not change them. I know this wolf design is a trial so I won't discuss it.

    Just please let wolf and horse stay as it's.

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    1. If it's trial that means you SHOULD discuss it. That's what a trial is for.

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  50. Maybe later on add a trait for feral looking just like you did neoteny and futa.

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  51. You're changing the art style? Ok, your choice. It's looking cool.

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  52. And just like CoC, the furry audience takes over. I was pretty thrilled when I saw all the new art, until the monster changes, that is. This just seems like a cashgrab, since the furry community is a lot bigger than the bestiality one. Greed trumps integrity yet again.

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  53. You know, I was LOVING how it was going so far, the new art and stuff. But seeing what you are doing with the dickwolves and such, that really got me down. You obviously can do what you want, your game, but I am greatly disappointed by this choice. If you -are- going to make the animals more humanoid, then there is only one way you are going to fix this. Make it so the futa trait allows female esque versions of male monsters. That's really the only was I can see you coming back from that.

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  54. So basically everyone who completely hates the change to furry bullshit (myself included), just keep the 4.2 version that is out now on your computer until he (hopefully) decides that it was a bad idea and changes it back.

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  55. Nice one, but don't change to much please. The catgirls, "cowgirls" and harpies look great just like they look now. And I personally like the futanari elf with her "dick" under her skirt better as the new one.

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  56. Nice loveing Shwig's new art H-Bomb but it seems the new monster look although still being a work in progress has caused some fighting among the fan's specifically the bestiality and furry groups i'm going to try and stay neutral the only thing that i hope stays somewhat same is the butt stallion i still want it to get a new look but i hope its still a horse on four lag's other then that i'm going to be neutral beyond this point.

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  57. This game has so much potential. I have no idea how deep you want to go with this game concept. It seems like you are looking to put together a subscription/membership model type game. In order for that to work you are going to have to give people the ability to go deep into the game construct. The good news you've got all the hooks you could want: Sex, Beastiality, Conflict between Religion and Sexual Freedom, Historical References, Goddess of Chaos vs Holy Order, Beasts of "Bordello", Breeding, Money, Interspecies Sex, Research, Phenotypical expression vs Genetic makeup, plus a whole bunch more.
    However, most of these people are correct, as much of the initial hook is going to be what they can see, and what they create and what they can do/see in terms of artwork/rendering/animation.
    So for your creatures, and you will need to expand the menagerie quite a bit if you want to capture deep gamers, because you will get fans for each type of creature, and they will want to only develop that creature, and they will want to "develop" it to their customization desire, and their specifications of min/max etc. So the starting artwork for these creatures should be rough, brutal, harsh, unrefined, perhaps even lean and mean, just like they were found in the wild. I mean the whole premise should be that you have chosen to take up the family occupation of breeding these monsters! While the character's parents pioneered the field, after Saint Lily's "sacrifices in the field of carnal combat" lol, 20 years of toil just scratched the surface of what is possible, so what you find in the marketplace is going to just be the starting point.

    The point of this ramble is that you are going to have to have literally thousands of pieces of art for each starting species, as people will want colors from the entire color wheel, to having ultra large to tiny examples of the species, as well as crossbreeding to get an specific trait from each species. I mean this is world of gaming today, if you want to create a subscription level game that will last many years. Plus player will want to trade, fuck, fight, and steal each other's creations and that will add to the intrigue of the game.

    But you have to get the art right now, then the history, because you've got a strong game engine, intriguing game play, and funny/amusing/intriguing baseline plotlines. You have caught people's attention, and they want more of what you are offering, as do I.

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    1. Yes, everyone "can see" it is many work to do for such an idea an volumen of stuff! I would try to split the game in parts (not an part one, two... , goal parts in work) that it is possible to expand or end the game project in contemplation of the creators mood or stamina. I wouldn't try to overload the goals only step by step but it is right for the possible buy space. The world is to small at the moment, clear it is an alpha version, I only try to say that the game should be playable in every state of its creation. I don't know how many or experienced you are in this but it must be many work and for the personal motivation, don't take to much on work at the same time! Let room in the existing work for more ideas but don't make them at the same time! I could read you make this for you and in this form the motivation is the primal thing at all!

      Maybe you done this already, but in it is in my interessting too that the game comes in an enjoy able status! The game is interessting but not enjoyable at the moment! The only joy is for me to think what can take in it to make it more enjoyable and round in expiriance!

      Have fun in creation of it!

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  58. As to the issue directly of the artwork changes - your character sketches are very "cartoonish", with very expressive eyes -excitement, suggestiveness, embarassment, coyness, and desire and exaggerated features like dick length and thickness.
    Shwig's animation is very refined in terms of more realistic depiction, but the salacious nature of the characters has been diminished. I mean really how can you take away the Marquis's giant dick in that sheath/sling thing. The dialogue just extends the very blatant sexuality and boredome that this couple has come to experience having lived 5 times the normal human lifespan. While the Marquis's wife is vain and bored, she sees the the player's character to be very arousing, and her eyes widen and her futanari dick hardens and straightens in arousal. That too is missing from Shwig's depiction. However the sullen prideful disdain is expressed beautifully in Kala, and Margo is the perfect perky guildmaster/real estate lady. Cordelia is much too pensive in her expression, considering she has two constantly vibrating dildos exciting her two lower holes, and there's no "joy of discovery" in her eyes, that is present behind the glasses as she talks to you about her exciting research of sticking ever bigger penis's in her vagina and ass, er I mean "breeding experiments" and "Sample Sourcing".

    So yes the style is better, more realistic, and the environment is very much improved from Old H.P. lovecraft's dirty farm of disrepair, to Shwigs Old Mcdonald's farm of clean, but bizarre animal husbandry.

    Overall, make the landscape beautiful, give the characters as much visual personality as possible, and the Monsters start out as raw as the Goddess of Chaos could imagine them. Let the Player "breed/play/explore" to make them as pretty/feral/ugly/misproportioned/perfect/anthromorphic as possible.

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  59. WOA IT IS AMAZING HOW THE THINGS ARE GOING!!!!!

    obs: Scientists girls looks better with pale(milk) skin !

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  60. love all of these, reassures my doubt about lily yesterday

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  61. ALL of these look amazing. Newer mock up of the wolves are worse than the one in this post.

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    1. Agreed, its still a shit direction to be going imo. New one looks way too much like some loser's fursona.

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    2. It's kinda cute how you have people in one weird fetish calling people in a different weird fetish 'losers'. Because obviously people who are into bestiality are way cooler than furries, right?

      That's okay, I'm into tentacles, so that means you're all lame. Logic!

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    3. I agree that always annoys the hell out of me, although my view on it is that Fur Hentai is so prevalent on the internet that this game offered a nice exotic alternative (with the Feral on Fur aspect). Turning all the creatures into the anthros makes this game wiggle a bit closer to being just a generic furry game especially if Harista plans a subscription at one point (personally if I wanted furry sex games on a subscription I would reg with High Tail Halls).

      Still there's no point really getting all heated on this as there is still a long road ahead before the game is anywhere near final and who knows what might have changed (by all means people should still voice their opinions for or against a change though, just they should be logical about it).

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  62. i feel like the new update could take months....months i am definitely willing to wait!

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  63. Personally I come down on the side of anthro... Of course if you can include both with traits that's going to please the widest base of fans... But will make a bunch more work for the pair of you. Might this be one of the creative decisions that you can work out once the website is up and you let paying contributors vote on? :) Capitalistic democracy?

    Please keep Shwig's original Lily. :( There's plenty of small/medium breasted characters evidently. :(

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  64. I'm on the fence about the changes. Some aspects I like over yours, other aspects not so much.

    I like the increased detail but not so much about the constant 'bathed in sunset light' the textures seem to have.

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  65. I dont mean to sound like a complayner, but i realy like the original wolf design,maybe ya keep one of those like o other monster class,ya know for the beastiality fans

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  66. That futa-elf is awesome! Are there going to be futa-on-female sex scenes/ story development in the game?

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  67. "We're going to be introducing some changes to the male monsters to make them more interesting/appeal to a wider audience. For the most part they'll be more anthropomorphic."

    Read: MONEY MONEY MONEYYYYYY~

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