Wednesday, May 15, 2013

Male/Male Animations and Neoteny

Winners were Male/Male Animations with $170 and Neoteny with $165. As ever, I am incredibly grateful for your donations.

I was hoping I would be able to give you the 3.5 update tonight but unfortunately things didn't go as planned and I ran into some issues. I'm pushing that back until Sunday 5/19. I really apologize to those who have been waiting for this and/or donated to see the cumshot animations. I promise to make sure this update is extra awesome just for delaying it so much.

The timeline for the new features will be Male/Male Animations on 6/2, then Neoteny (definitely the catgirl, hopefully the harpy and holstaurus as well) by 6/16. And, of course, both features will be optional and toggled from the options page.

73 comments:

  1. That sucks about cumshots, but at least it isn't that far away.

    Neoteny is going to be up for the males as well right? I was under the impression it was all of the monsters when i donated for it, but there really wasn't much detail to the donation option.

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  2. Are the delayed cum shot animations going to cut into any of the effort put into this month's winners?

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  3. i am excited for both of these updates. also cant wait for sunday for those money shots. is one male monster going to make it into the netoeny donate update?

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  4. I think its no Problem :D
    Its cool enough that he's working on it.
    And as long as he updates the blog its alright.

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  5. Wow, really? Someone actually donated like 40 bucks in one go for neoteny?
    Get to wait a full month and a half for an actually interesting trait now, wonderful

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    1. Guys, I removed all the comments in this thread of discussion. I really have no problem with people having their own tastes or opinions and expressing the desire to not see particular things in the game, I do intend to offer toggles so that people can turn off anything that squicks them or they find personally distasteful. I do, however, have a problem with people disrespecting each other, so please just keep it civil and quit the insults and name-calling.

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  7. I laughed at the two butthurt people above me.

    If you wanted your option to win, donate more money. If it didn't win, just try again next month. No need to cry about anything or be rude. I can understand being frustrated, but come on, really?

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  8. I'm actually really looking forward to both of these. I'm finally excited for an option that I'm personally interested in going into the game.

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  9. Another delay? Ahhh breaking my balls man. But it's okay, keep up the excellent work!

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  10. There's no need to be upset; after all, plenty of these features will end up in the game anyway. Hell, we'll have the option to deactivate the most specific or controversial ones.

    Great job so far, by the way. If it's good work, I don't care about the delays ^^

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    1. I agree with this ^

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  11. Oh goodness, with m/m animations and the futanari trait, as well as threesome animations, suddenly there's a lot more potential animations that are possible. I myself would be a little disappointed if a Futanari Harpy couldn't peg a Dickwolf with neoteny :P.

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    1. ..and suddenly we're veering off into an entirely different direction.

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    2. Outside of the very niche fetish issue, I foresee a problem with feature creep. He doesn't even have all the animations done for the adult models, standard gender and now on the schedule is young models, standard gender, followed by futanari models. It's essentially tripling the number of animations when they aren't even completed once.

      What about futanari cumshots? Would that need to be a separate feature, or would we assume that would just go along with futa? This is before any of the dozens of gameplay additions that were suggested get implemented.

      I'm excited for the potential growth, and thank Hartista for all the awesome work done already, but I think the schedule is a bit aggressive and wouldn't mind gameplay updates on the 15th followed by fetish updates on the 1st.

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    3. It's entirely accurate that the number of animations I'm going to need to add in is going to grow exponentially with new monsters/features/etc. Hopefully you guys will understand if not all of the animations are implemented for all of the pairings/variations right away. This is one of the reasons I'm looking for animation help.

      Ideally, I'll just be able to find people to help me with the animation. Worst case scenario, in the future I might need to slow down the rate of features being added. I've been thinking about making it just one feature a month, but I don't know if this would upset people who've already donated.

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    4. It'll make adding new monsters later on a substantial undertaking. But if what we had was fleshed out and working? A big update with a new monster each month or so isn't so bad. But I urge the author to go look at Project X, they bloated too much too fast, so they ended up having to make 9 or so enemies each with 2 different animations for each of the 7 characters, every time they added a new level. NOT INCLUDING Boss animations for everyone. So adding in all the features and then adding characters is probably the best bet in my own opinion, But the author should really decide for himself.

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    5. Theoretically, there should be no difference between the neoteny, furry and standard animations, so this reduces the number you have to make a bit.

      "I've been thinking about making it just one feature a month, but I don't know if this would upset people who've already donated."
      Announce in advance that at some point in the future you will change it to one feature at a time, then keep up the current schedule for a month or two. People who have already donated will then get their features at the rate they wanted

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    6. I believe it was put into the description that there would be unique animations. (For the Neoteny.)

      Furthermore i doubt people would donate almost 200 dollars for a feature that is a simple aesthetic change with copypasted animations. Some of the animations wouldn't even be feasible due to the physical size difference, not to mention it would be a huge amount of potential wasted.

      It would lower the workload, but it would be pretty costly in terms to the quality of the features. Which since he's now getting paid for each feature he implements, quality should be held at the highest regard. In terms of the workload being too extensive, i agree with you, just an advanced announcement would probably work if HartistaPipebomb is unable to get help art wise.

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  12. I'm hoping neoteny applies to all monsters, not just females. Also, I'd like if canine-like monsters had canine cocks. Dickwolves don't have dog dicks and that's upsetting mildly.

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    1. Vote for the furry trait, that sort of thing should be covered

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    2. There is no "voting". There's just donating money, which is completely different.

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    3. Except that it's only very slightly different in that your vote isn't free. If you want your opinion to matter, pick an indulgence that you enjoy every day and instead spend that money on supporting this excellent game.

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  13. The voting system is flawed in that it uses a FPTP system, which doesn't account for similarity between ideas. There is currently $182 donated for a new species to be added by people who want new content, and yet Neoteny won with $165

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    1. What? No seriously....What?

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    2. It isn't a first past the post system, as the donations/votes that don't "win" the next 2 update slots remain afterward. I do agree that it is a flawed system, however.

      HBomb is going to wish that the most immediately popular fetishes/niches/creatures/whatever were still able to pull in donations. I see getting a ever larger workload, more and more demanding "voters" and an ever decreasing amount of support. I hope I'm wrong... But I see burnout coming in the no so distant future at this rate. Look how nasty some people are already getting about not getting their way...

      One major update a month wouldn't be cutting back ENOUGH, if you ask me. I think the categories need to be less broad, or made with the understanding that only one or MAYBE two breeds will be "fleshed out with each added feature per month. With maybe a non-donation poll to reflect which are the most popular breeds, with HBomb making the final decision on which art to add each month for each feature and creature. Just throwing ideas out, because I want this to remain a fun project and not HBomb feeling that they sold themself into indentured servitude.

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    3. Every system that could be implement could be said to be "flawed", you can't please everyone. Someone will always be bitching.

      Yes, a larger workload is definitely obvious, why do you think he's looking for animation/art help? There are no "demanding" donators, just people who want to be treated fairly and a couple of people bitching about content additions not being something they personally enjoy. There are a large sum of people who are incredibly vocal, in most cases it goes hand in hand with being stupid, but stupid people, and loud people, they're both very common in the real world, and even more-so on the internet, this isn't a sign of the "coming of the end".

      The only reason HBomb is still doing this, is because he's getting donations. Those donors are people he can't exactly exclude in any way if possible, it's one of the faults of accepting donations. As soon as it turns into something that the mass donors do not like, then it could stop getting donation support, and when that happens, this most likely won't be developed any longer.

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    4. The point is that the options which are winning right away are the most popular niches. Once they win, they are no longer donation magnets. Get it? The workload increases parallel to the donations drying up. Gay is in. Cumshots in. Neoteny in. Futa soon and then its down to increasing furriness and ever more specific bits and pieces. Each month the next two most popular donation draws will cash out, never to be heard from again. Then it'll be down to people donating simply because they appreciate the work already done and out of respect for the artist... Two of the more outstanding traits of internet inhabitants...

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    5. I think the way the donation system works is that HBomb is eventually going to put all the donation stuff in but people can donate to fast forward it actually getting created. So everything on the list will be done at some time or another but if you want it now then you need to donate for it.

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    6. I don't think you get it. (I'm a different person, btw) He is trying to say that HBomb won't be getting as much money and HBomb will eventually be releasing just small updates untill the game is all dried up from the lack of donations and the decreasing amounts of people wanting to play it. After a while, when the current popular niches are already in the game, it will go downhill.

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    7. There is no lack of new things I'll be adding to get excited about and donate for. Also, these big-ticket features have won but this isn't the last you'll see of them. For instance, cum-shot animations and neoteny will go into the game, but I've decided I'm still going put up "cum-shot animations for neoteny creatures" as a separate donation feature (as it's an entirely new set of animations that I will need to make that is as large as the number of cum-shot animations that I've already made).

      In the future what I'm most likely going to do is divide the features that get added into smaller parts, but also take more of them each month (rather than just the top two). I'm still working out the future of the system, though.

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    8. Male/male animations still get the cum-shot animations without paying more, right?

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    9. Yep, at least for this first round, simply because there are very few male-male animations to make.

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    10. Are you going to try to apply more quality to them then usual because of how few they are and how much money they amassed?

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  14. Hey Hartista, I sent another email a few days back with some more questions.

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  15. release still planed for sunday?

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  16. How are you Hartista? Is everything going as planned? Is there a time we can expect to see the update go live or should we hold our breaths until tomorrow midnight? :)

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    1. I'm not holding my breath after last time.

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    2. Barring unforeseen consequences, it will be released tonight at 11:00 PM PST.

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  17. Dont be so on the bloke, it'll be done when it's done.
    Peps tend do to stuff becouse it's fun,
    the moment it stop being fun and starts being a "choir" for what ever reasons (whining included),
    thats when we get incomplete games. xD

    @Hartista, Thanks for a great game! ^_^

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    1. The thought of stuff suddenly becoming a church choir made me spit out my coffee.

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    2. It also made me sneeze out my tea.

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  18. Hey Hartista, did you ever find artists to help out?

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    1. Yes! CoyoteRedMoon is helping me with the character portraits, which will seriously speed up the rate at which I can release storyline content.

      I'm still really hurting for animators and landscape artists, though.

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    2. What kind of "landscape" artists are you looking for? The entire background/environments? Buildings? Just the actual landscape?

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    3. I'm looking people who can do entire backgrounds/environments, including buildings. No character art is necessary, though.

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    4. I'll send you an email in day or two with some drawings, maybe i could be of help.

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  19. Are there going to be more sketches/info put up at all for some of the donation features? How do we suggest new features for the donation page? Some of the features are vague, actually a lot about this game development wise is very vague, unless I'm missing important posts and updates on the LoK forums.

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    1. I agree that it's vague, it's just been a matter of me finding the time to get all put together. You can suggest new features any time. If it's something you would plan to donate on yourself you can e-mail me or PM me on LoK.

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    2. Well I just see people asking about Neoteny being for males up top, unanswered. There's also people asking if the cum-shots being delayed will cut into the current donation winner development and quality questions regarding male/male animations all unanswered. Not to mention the last month's winner being delayed this much. I have questions of my own, and a suggestion i would want to donate for, but I'm kind of wary given the current state of things. No offense at all of course, i do enjoy your game, but getting something i want in seems a bit risky in both what I'll be getting, and when I'll be getting it even if it won, then there's the whole unanswered questions part. Well, i can still give it a shot, how often do you check your email?

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    3. There is the distinct possibility that I am too busy to answer every question and/or do not know the answer yet.

      If you want to know the real answers it's
      1. If I have time
      2. Depends on how much time I have
      3. If I have time
      4. I didn't have enough time

      I'm going to be completely upfront with all of you: there's a reason I have been clear that these are donations, and not the purchase of a product or service. There is absolutely no guaranteed relationship between you giving me money and the thing you want happening. You, out of the kindness of your heart, give me money, and I, because I am not a douchebag, attempt to implement the features you want.

      Show of hands, how many of you have designed, drawn, animated, and programmed a flash sim-RPG hybrid sex-game before? Well neither have I (and by the way, if you actually have, I would love to talk to you). I'm not even a software developer, I went to school for Biology and taught myself programming. Realistically I have absolutely no clue how long it'll take to put in these features and there is a very limited amount of planning I can make for the future. I am playing this all by ear.

      I absolutely cannot promise that the features you want will go in, nor can I promise when they'll go in, or how they'll go in. I CAN promise that I'm not going to dump this project as long as people still care about it, that I'll do everything in my power to be as fair and accommodating to the people who were kind enough to donate to me, and that I want to make this game as much as you all want me to make this game.

      But I am not a company, I am a dude who just graduated from college who lives in a converted closet and works a 40-hour a week job with a long-ass commute every day and is giving up his free time to do this.

      If you donate, please donate because you like my work and you think I'm a good guy and you want me to keep doing what I'm doing. I'd like to hope that I've gotten to the point where you all can trust that I'm actually putting a lot of effort towards this, and I actually care about talking to my donors and figuring out what they'd like. If, however, you donated thinking that this was a purchase and you're expecting X services rendered for Y payment then just ask me for a refund and I'll give it to you.

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    4. Hey Hbomb i can assure you this guy loves your work. I can also assure you that i will always support this game as it is one of the best H-games i have ever played even though it's still in early development. I just wish i had drawing skills and could help but i also think that there are plenty of other lurkers here who love this game and support you!

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    5. I didn't mean to offend, i was just unaware of how this whole process worked. I haven't made a trip to LoK forums and I've glanced through other posts on here and the comment section. I wanted to state my apprehension but i didn't mean to offend you or upset you in any way, I followed a link from another forum and my knowledge about everything was very limited and I'm a recent follower of your game. I stated what i saw and what made me apprehensive and i didn't know what to think, therefore i asked about it and said how i viewed things, if i was blunt and/or rude, i apologize, i didn't mean to be.

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    6. Sorry, didn't mean to bite your head off or anything. Been a wee bit stressed lately.

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    7. Then why don't you reply with "I don't know, or if i have enough time"? Isn't that better than nothing? It's better than a donor who donated something, asking a question and receiving no answer. A post right below this one says you encourage people to ask questions. If you don't have the answer, that as an answer is better than nothing.

      Why don't you stop adding new features in per month, take a small break from it, until you have more animators or get the donation features that already won, in? Instead of half done features on top of more features you're trying to implement while juggling everything else. You're the one choosing to stack up everything on top of each other while you run out of time doing so.

      Maybe you should be more clear about that on the donations page. It says right on there-

      "Donate and choose features". With an explanation that has no such thing as "May be implemented" and "No guaranteed relationship".

      How you chose to word the entire thing makes it sound most definitely like people will get what they want. You can't pull a 180 and not tell anyone about it, saying that because you used the term "donation" that there's no relationship between the donator and you besides a moral one. Especially since you created a system which revolves around bidding money to get a feature. There are auction donations held all the time and such that use the word "donate" but there is still an obligation to the winner. So where does it say anything about any of this anywhere?

      Understandable but irrelevant. There are people who have had less experience do projects like this, the difference is you're accepting money for it, albeit donation or not. You also built a system around features to encourage people to donate for features they want implemented, with very limited information about everything. Then when you get people asking questions and pointing out what you're doing, you make a rant like this.

      You can't promise that? Then why does it say on the donation feature page that you can? "The two features that have stacked up the highest numbers of donations by the end of the month will be the next features to be implemented in the game." Your own words. Saying that you'll be fair and accommodating while ignoring those that were possible donors and making this rant targeted towards someone who looks like they were going to be a donor says otherwise.


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    8. Irrelevant. Understandable that there are limits and I assume everyone knows full well, but i work much more than this, and i get paid far less for creating something i enjoy and occasionally having to listen to uppity people. You're not "giving" up your free time either, this isn't some gift for us, the donors allow you to use your free time of your own free will towards this project. No one is forcing you, you're choosing to work on the game, so this is completely and utterly irrelevant.

      You made it sound similar to a purchase yourself, it says it right in the donation page for implementation of said features donated for. I assume you are putting a lot of effort into it, but you're working yourself into a corner and the choices you've made thus far are your own. You can't encourage people to vote for features while it says you get your feature, then say "It may not be implemented because i don't have time and it's a donation, which means i don't gotta, but i will if i have time, despite saying it will be".

      You don't create a system that revolves around competetive bidding and features being implemented, if you want people to donate because they think "you're a nice guy", they do it because they want their fetish porn done. You have a dedicated donation button off to the right which includes none of that, which includes no promises, no anything, just to donate to support you. This would make sense if someone was using that button, but they aren't. They're using a bidding like feature you implemented and made promises on everywhere including on the page itself. Everything so far has been well merited, especially due to your own wording, your own choices and how you yourself set up the system.

      If you're having problems, do things differently. If you want to communicate more with your donors, then do so. If you don't have answers to questions, say you don't. If you don't have time to implement features, then stop taking money from people saying you'll implement them then take more than a month to do so and wait until you do have time. There are simple solutions to all of your issues, and none of the people who comment here or even the donors are at fault.

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    9. If you want your money back ask for it. E-mail me at HartistaPipebomb@gmail.com with a subject header of "Donation Refund" and including the e-mail address that you used for your paypal payment along with your first and last name. I will refund absolutely anyone who asks for any amount they have paid.

      Otherwise I am not taking your abuse and fuck you very much. The amount I am paid for this in donations does not nearly rival the amount of time I have spent on it and I have no fucking clue why you would be a callous douchebag about it. I am trying. This is literally the best I can fucking do.

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    10. ? That's not abuse. You made a long winded rant targeting another person due to you not liking how they asked questions.

      I made an explanation regarding your rant and what you said, simply made no sense. That was not abuse in any way, maybe you should stop seeing any form of level headed criticism as an "attack". Trust me, an actual "attack" or "abuse" sounds much different than "Do things differently if this is giving you problems", or "This is what you wrote, so what are you talking about?".

      This has nothing to do with wanting my money back. I feel like you didn't even read anything i said and just assumed i was being "mean" to you or something.

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    11. No seriously, i have no idea how you even got offended or even believed that was abuse? The shit you just spouted and you going off on a random commenter was actually much more aggressive and much worse than anything anyone has said on here. Including those people calling each other names, because that was at least due to frustration and childish behavior. This has no reason though but just passive aggressiveness.

      None of what i said was cruel, spiteful or even malicious. Blunt, yes. Callous? Maybe. Nothing though of what i said was untrue or meant to somehow "insult" you.

      Did i call you names or insult you in any way? I said the choices you make are your own, the faults in your wording lie with you, and if you want change in the results, you have to actually make change. You also got aggressive with someone who didn't deserve it, and ranted against them aggressively without merit. Instead of a rational response, you tell me "Fuck you" and call me a "callous douchebag".

      Well my friend, this is the most petty and childish response I've ever gotten when what i said was not ill-intended, and that's saying something. Good luck on your game, I won't be bothering coming around again, this was just baffling.

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    12. lol, grow a dick. "I won't be bothering coming around again, this was just baffling." This is the Internet. omgroflmao

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    13. This is the internet?! I'm pretty sure the whole point of it being baffling was it was from the creator flipping out and insulting people, not the fact that there was someone doing that in general.

      Because if you scroll up, the creator says this earlier " I do, however, have a problem with people disrespecting each other, so please just keep it civil and quit the insults and name-calling."

      So he's a huge hypocrite, and a bit of a dick. But at least he's making a decent game. I mean that was pretty damn obvious, even for someone as smart as a rock.

      Remember, when even your white knights don't defend you, you know you're really in the wrong.

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    14. Hbomb doesn't need defending, that's all. He said nothing that wasn't called for. If you want a refund, he'll gladly give it. Don't think that "I donated monies, so I can be rude and/or demanding." It was those who think that that he said Fuck You Very Much to, and DAMN RIGHT. He only insulted rude and demanding assholes. Not people who wished their donations refunded. (Sorry for biting the troll-hook, everyone)

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    15. No one was being rude nor demanding except the people who had to result to petty insults. That includes Hbomb.

      If you have to try to get a point across, you don't start acting like a child throwing a tantrum. There's no excuse.

      He was also being a hypocrite.

      Donation refunds have NOTHING to even do with the conversation.

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    16. "Hbomb doesn't need defending, that's all. He said nothing that wasn't called for. If you want a refund, he'll gladly give it. Don't think that "I donated monies, so I can be rude and/or demanding." It was those who think that that he said Fuck You Very Much to, and DAMN RIGHT. He only insulted rude and demanding assholes. Not people who wished their donations refunded. (Sorry for biting the troll-hook, everyone)"

      Did you try being literate for once in your life? Scroll up, there was a guy asking questions then Hartista flipped out. Then he got a reply to his long rant. Then Hartista flipped out again using insults while earlier saying he doesn't approve of people using insults and wanted people to be civil, which he himself doesn't even do. While the response to his rant was questionable, the entire behavior that Hartista exhibited was that of a temper tantrum. This never had anything to do with refunds but all of it was about the behavior. If you can't understand that, then you shouldn't be posting because it's been stated many many times. Try reading before posting and try thinking before calling other people trolls.

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    17. I think both sides were at fault. This could have been handled way better by HartistaBomb as well, thinking otherwise is just silly. When one has to resort to criticisms with "fuck you very much" and "callous douchebag", whether they're rude or not is simply not the way to treat anyone. I could understand if the guy was actually insulting back or such, but even then, why not just delete the comment instead of going out of your way to insult people? It's in very poor taste, especially to people who actually contribute to the game and see him going out of his way to insult others instead of actually being mature about it. When you also preach about the important nature of civility and treating people with respect, then shortly after berate people, well then that just shows poor character along with hypocrisy.

      This also goes hand in hand with HartistaPipebomb's earlier statement about hoping that people donate more for him being a "Nice person". A nice person doesn't go out of their way to insult people, for whatever reason. There is also a lot of detailing issues that should be fixed when it comes to the donation system that he should actually comment on in a blog post or on the forums, rather than leave it to speculation and get angry at people who get flustered at not only how they're treated, but poor wording on HartistaPipebomb's explanation of donation voting.

      I think this conversation really isn't going anywhere though, everyone's either blindly defending HartistaPipebomb as if he could do no wrong, or insulting others.

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    18. ^
      These guys pretty much said it way better than i could've.

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    19. This is super late, but I do owe the anons here an apology for my behavior with these comments. I was extremely stressed out from other things going on in my life and took it out on some random people I don't know, which is never a cool thing to do. Really sorry, I agree that it was hypocritical of me to expect people to be civil in my blog and thread and then completely fail to be so myself.

      So, like I said, sorry :(.

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  20. I guess H must have deleted his comments, because I don't see anything except what the one dude said with the "Fuck you very much." Nothing left but some asshole being a complete cunt about the way H is doing things. Maybe you guys should try creating something yourselves, rather than criticizing people who actually are. Seriously... I think you're just here to stir shit and make H reconsider making the game. Gtfo

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    1. You're so much of an idiot i actually got a headache from that.

      You literally cannot read and you're pretty much throwing up a retort that makes utterly no sense.

      No one is immune from criticism, especially someone who wants money for donations, especially someone who berates others instead of trying to be mature. If YOU are the only person here who can't see how stupid you are, then I'm pretty sure that says something, especially when people have directly quoted what you can't read.

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    2. "I guess H must have deleted his comments, because I don't see anything except what the one dude said with the "Fuck you very much." Nothing left but some asshole being a complete cunt about the way H is doing things. Maybe you guys should try creating something yourselves, rather than criticizing people who actually are. Seriously... I think you're just here to stir shit and make H reconsider making the game. Gtfo"

      Stop trolling and do something better with your time.

      If you aren't trolling then god help humanity as I've lost all faith in it.

      Also to the anon above me, you're berating others as well ;P. I do understand what you mean though, and at least in this case i can understand as this guy is clearly trolling.

      The point was that the behavior was uncalled for, incredibly aggressive and hypocritical. It has nothing to do with the immunity one is supposed to have from being a creator (Which i assure you, no one does.). It has nothing to do with justification, or how others act. It's how the creator has talked about ideals that should be upheld when talking to others then doing a 180 and insulting someone else because he didn't like what he said. It being rude is debatable as it was mostly incredibly blunt and forward.

      The point is, even if it was justifiable which in this case it isn't, why did he go out of his way to insult someone else and do the very thing he says to others that they shouldn't do? Then say people should donate because of him being nice. While this whole misunderstanding could have been avoided by either deleting the comment and trying to clarify somewhere, or just not being a complete dick back.

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    3. There were actually more points raised than that.

      Don't reply to the troll, he actually said himself he can't read. Everything's been said multiple times even with quotes, don't bother.

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